2013福特New Focus變速箱掛點&原廠回應 - Toyota

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※ 引述《uglyfood (我能不能跳著吃)》之銘言:
: 推 Boss1983: 開車的人沒問題嗎?看來女人只適合開toyota 08/02 09:23
提醒各位板友
板規三已於上周修正並立即生效
Boss1983板友這類言論如果從嚴判定的話
已觸犯板規三 針對特定族群的不當言論
希望各位板友在板上討論時 就事論事,避免亂開地圖炮
也請各位板友之言論不要涉及性別 族群 年齡歧視
各位板友都有父母,夫妻,兒女,或是不同族群之親友故舊
當你說出這些言論的時候,別忘了攻擊的也是你身邊的人。
原文參考:
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│ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/car/M.1470067434.A.D3E.html │
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我相信不管XXX是什麼 說出這種話的人都是在對那個族群的能力進行不當的批判
溝通可能是針對大方向的判決標準,或是針對特定有爭議的案例進行討論後才做出判決
之所以用這篇公告提醒板友,是希望各位板友發言時更注意自己的言論內容
當各位板友行使言論自由的同時,希望是針對看板主題相關的事務就事論事
而並非以與車板主題無關的這類族群/性別/年齡區隔來發言
本篇並非判決,只希望各位板友能尊重他人,就事論事
: 推 Boss1983: 開車的人沒問題嗎?看來女人只適合開toyota 08/02 09:23
提醒各位板友
板規三已於上周修正並立即生效
Boss1983板友這類言論如果從嚴判定的話
已觸犯板規三 針對特定族群的不當言論
希望各位板友在板上討論時 就事論事,避免亂開地圖炮
也請各位板友之言論不要涉及性別 族群 年齡歧視
各位板友都有父母,夫妻,兒女,或是不同族群之親友故舊
當你說出這些言論的時候,別忘了攻擊的也是你身邊的人。
原文參考:
│ 文章代碼(AID): #1NdtBgq- (car) [ptt.cc] [問題] 2013福特New Focus變速箱掛 │
│ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/car/M.1470067434.A.D3E.html │
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※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/car/M.1470105350.A.D93.html
推 s952699: 那是你主觀認定TOYOTA=爛車 不然他那句推文哪裡有問題 08/02 10:40
當一個人說出 某個族群 只適合 做XXX 我相信不管XXX是什麼 說出這種話的人都是在對那個族群的能力進行不當的批判
推 arthurwang: 推~~ 08/02 10:41
推 ErnestKou: TOYOTA就是好上手給特定族群開錯了嗎 08/02 10:43
推 kevin28: 就我覺得,他只是覺得T牌容易開保養,很適合一般人 08/02 10:44
推 loveisdie: 就版主說的(特定族群)那請問說:買這車種的活該 08/02 10:45
→ loveisdie: 這種是不是也違反版規? 08/02 10:45
有關板規三修正後的判罰標準,我會與K板主進行溝通 溝通可能是針對大方向的判決標準,或是針對特定有爭議的案例進行討論後才做出判決
之所以用這篇公告提醒板友,是希望各位板友發言時更注意自己的言論內容
當各位板友行使言論自由的同時,希望是針對看板主題相關的事務就事論事
而並非以與車板主題無關的這類族群/性別/年齡區隔來發言
噓 aptx1869: 之前就被版主主觀認定鬧版,有夠zz 08/02 10:51
→ arthurwang: 好歹這篇公告只是提醒大家小心踩線而已 08/02 10:52
推 refgdata: 女人不能只開頭又大嗎 08/02 10:53
→ arthurwang: 總比推個「船長好」就被桶,合理多了 08/02 10:53
→ ctx1000: 下次推Nice Boat.阿 08/02 10:54
噓 alskdj: 嚴重大誤判 你也失職了 預備辭職吧! 08/02 11:03
→ alskdj: 好好的沒事 又要惹事生非? 我覺得這兩任版主都是來亂的 08/02 11:03
→ alskdj: 階段性任務已經完成 Kamiyu留下就好了 08/02 11:04
→ alskdj: 講得頭頭是道,長篇大論。卻忘了自己就是那個鎖定特定族群 08/02 11:05
→ alskdj: 的元兇。你不講,沒人有感覺。你自己提出來,XDDD 莫非版 08/02 11:05
→ alskdj: 主才是真正的反串大王? XDDDD 08/02 11:06
如果你覺得我曾鎖定特定族群發表任何不當言論,請提出證據 本篇並非判決,只希望各位板友能尊重他人,就事論事
推 bearland: 推,車版的討論重點應該放在車子本身,不要有口水文 08/02 11:06
推 ps2xx: 上面那個噓的我覺得你才是來亂的 08/02 11:09
噓 alskdj: 你根本設地自限找麻煩....ZZZ 08/02 11:11
→ alskdj: 那請問未來如果有老人因為自己行為能力反應不足的車禍事 08/02 11:12
→ alskdj: 件新聞,底下有人推文說:老人不意外 請問版主如何判決? 08/02 11:12
→ alskdj: 是不是要尊重老人族群啊! 08/02 11:14
推 refgdata: 根本女版小雪男生版 08/02 11:16
推 CkMichael: 有沒有歧視意味在座都心知肚明啦不用硬凹很難看 08/02 11:24
→ CkMichael: 動不動就要版主下台 民粹真可怕 08/02 11:25
推 Hua0722: 7F那篇我也中招XD 08/02 11:25
→ CkMichael: 一樓下台後果真是換了位子換了腦袋 08/02 11:28
推 ryu057: 推船長好還滿好笑的耶XDDDDD 08/02 11:28
推 SEEDA: 當初說買福特就開始懂車就被桶了呢 真的是換腦袋了 08/02 11:29
推 check: 我覺得買福特開始懂車這句是讚美 08/02 11:33
推 YCL13: 希望兩位板主的時間夠多 08/02 11:50
→ Oo5566: 這種可多種解讀的話就不用管了吧? 08/02 11:54
推 ghjkl5566: 這判決是合理的 不過建議還是走不告不理會比較好 08/02 11:57
推 yanli2: 女人開頭又大,究竟是女人還是頭又大具貶義? 08/02 11:58
噓 loveisdie: 原來這版的版主是讓alskdj你決定的啊?笑死 08/02 12:00
→ a001ou: 他那句的問題在於女人「只」適合的只,很明顯會有歧視爭議 08/02 12:04
→ a001ou: 這種可責其限期解釋,若無法自圓其說者版規處理 08/02 12:04
推 sat800g: 當然有歧視 這沒啥好爭 只是我覺得如果要嚴辦的話板主 08/02 12:08
→ sat800g: 會很累 畢竟從最常見的三寶開始就是一個帶歧視的詞了 08/02 12:08
推 aptx1869: 你真夠toyota 08/02 12:16
噓 alskdj: 廢話就不用特別推出來丟人現眼了 ^^ 08/02 12:18
推 alskdj: 想多做事很好,不要矯枉過正了 08/02 12:27
噓 miayao417: 所以你覺得是toyota這族群歧視女人這族群 08/02 12:32
→ miayao417: 還是女人這族群歧視toyota這族群? 08/02 12:32
→ FantasyNova: 這句用歸類的推文的確不妥 但不知道貶的是女人還是TO 08/02 12:33
→ miayao417: 法院都不敢判的東西版主自以為,果真版皇 08/02 12:33
→ FantasyNova: XDD 08/02 12:33
噓 orange7986: 三寶要桶嗎 08/02 12:36
推 JenRen: 言論自由不是給某些人無理取鬧的,某些酸文就不要裝清高 08/02 12:38
→ kusoshinobi: 龐德只適合馬丁這種玉樹臨風的車 08/02 12:51
→ kusoshinobi: 我的觀察啦 08/02 12:52
→ blackmamba24: 一堆人硬坳真是難看 敢酸不敢當zzz 08/02 12:54
推 bgflyer: 想酸人還想裝沒酸,難看 08/02 13:02
推 tsukie2887: 三寶應該屬於客觀陳述事實吧 除非亂叫 08/02 13:07
推 yanli2: 果然夠女人! 08/02 13:22
→ porterlevis: 這不是言論自由的地方嗎 還要設限?? 08/02 13:25
推 JenRen: 啊不就跟道路一樣,大家都可走,但還是有交通規則。 08/02 13:29
噓 kenimai: 陳述事實也要被桶, 真是好大官威 08/02 13:30
推 cua77244: 想酸被桶了又唉唉叫XD 08/02 13:34
噓 hayashi0728: 開toyota的,大多都是三寶 08/02 13:34
推 Kreen: 你只適合開 BMW vs 你只適合開 Toyota。如果前者沒問題,所 08/02 15:10
→ Kreen: 以這判例是在講 Toyota 具有貶意囉XDDDD 08/02 15:10
→ miketk: 女人比較不懂機器..所以開T牌比較不會壞..有錯? 08/02 15:16
推 alskdj: 所以這種一句話,有多種解讀方式的就不用刻意規範了 08/02 15:17
→ alskdj: 真的要無限放大,那種"南部經常看到XXXX" 這也是特定族群 08/02 15:18
→ alskdj: 尊重他人就事論事,版主的身分就是扮演看不見的黑手 08/02 15:19
→ alskdj: 版風自然會形成一種平衡。 08/02 15:20
→ a001ou: 你只適合xx與女人或某群體只適合xx,兩者根本不同,少凹了 08/02 16:15
推 Kreen: 那女人只適合開 Benz,這樣也不覺得有貶意啊。XD 08/02 16:20
推 nightice: 敢酸怕事只敢躲在網路後的人還真多 08/02 16:42
→ a001ou: 不,重點是要明白解釋為何認為女人「只」適合xx,若合情合 08/02 16:43
→ a001ou: 理的解釋那當然沒問題,但世間女人億萬,要合理解釋難唷 08/02 16:43
推 ErnestKou: 我是覺得阿寶根本不適合開車,根本沒有適合開什麼車的 08/02 17:11
→ ErnestKou: 情況好嗎 08/02 17:11
→ r1t1r: 上禮拜就說這條就自由心證的條款阿 以後推文別推到族群 08/02 17:13
→ r1t1r: 這推文女人部分拿掉 或用____替代也不會踩線 有比較不酸? 08/02 17:14
→ ghjkl5566: 同意把特定族群拿掉其實就沒啥問題了 08/02 17:38
噓 swjlsc: 女人看來是禁語 08/02 17:38
→ a001ou: 沒有要禁女人好嗎!重點是你要如何自圓其說... 08/02 18:18
→ a001ou: 就像不該說原民「都」愛喝酒,但若拿出研究說原民有6成有 08/02 18:23
→ a001ou: 酗酒問題,此時自然可說一半以上原民愛喝酒,有這麼難懂? 08/02 18:23
推 TaiwanNeko: 這句話有問題+1 08/02 20:24
→ TaiwanNeko: 一般人不會只適合開單一廠牌的車 08/02 20:24
→ TaiwanNeko: 就算Toyota換成別的廠牌,我也認為是歧視言論 08/02 20:24
→ arthurwang: 這句問題應該要跟前一句一起看「開車的人沒問題嗎」 08/02 20:52
推 teardropbox: 這篇邏輯薄弱 喜 08/02 23:32
噓 khanq: 1樓突破盲點 08/02 23:33
推 haggis: 推 08/02 23:54
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