Altis油電是否是目前最不安全的車 - Toyota
By Lydia
at 2020-02-06T09:44
at 2020-02-06T09:44
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※ 引述《grace0523 (小小)》之銘言:
: 神A不安全應該是眾所皆知的事
: 過去嚴重車禍 神a通常都面目全非
: https://i.imgur.com/H1e0G6t.jpg
: 現在又多了一顆電池
: 在volvo裝就算了
: 至少剛性良好能保護電池
: 裝在altis就不得了
: 發生嚴重車禍除了車體嚴重虧縮
: 電池可能受到外力擠壓造成爆炸
: altis裝了電池 根本是馬路上的移動炸彈!
1. 電池是鎳氫
2. 電池擺放位置在後座下方
你PO的這張車室空間不就是完整的嗎.....
https://i.imgur.com/H1e0G6t.jpg
※ 引述《xavierlinw (xavierlinw)》之銘言:
: 和泰說12代Altis比前一代鋼性增加60%
: 就算如此一年賣幾萬台的車款和泰還是不願意送12代Altis到國外做撞擊測試。一切盡
在
: 不言中。知道成績難看所以不願意送嘛。不然呢。不要拿國外的Corolla 來說,國產的
Al
: tis鋼材有一樣嗎?送出國測試撞擊阿 讓數據說話,科學點都2020了。
: 連福特這種一年競爭車款少賣Altis好幾倍的Focus四代都願意送台灣組裝的Focus出國
測
: 撞了。還五顆星。相對龍頭廠Toyota和泰,真是沒有龍頭的風範。
1. 剛性跟車體安全是兩碼子事,你還連"剛性"都打錯成"鋼性"
2. 沒有第三方評鑑標準,車商自己送車自己講的話你就傻傻信了?
3. 福特哪篇文宣裡講五顆星,跟我講一下,可以送公平交易委員會罰錢的
公平交易委員會裁罰100萬元,裕隆日產銷售2018年式Infiniti Q50安全認證廣告不實
https://reurl.cc/zy3xQe
噓 xavierlinw: 一年在台灣賣幾萬台不敢送去側撞 和泰啊02/06 00:10
一直吵著要送出國測試
都預計今年第四季要執行TW-NCAP首批3車型測試
https://www.carstuff.com.tw/car-news/item/25414-t-ncap-2020.html
怎麼還有人資訊落後,一直講送出國做撞擊測試.....
委託者 測試單位 審驗/評鑑 結果
法規撞測 車廠 → ARTC → VSCC Pass/Fail (Pass才可上市)
NCAP撞測 NCAP → ARTC → NCAP 依據安全性分星等
台灣的問題又不是沒有實驗室有能力測試
而是沒有NCAP制度幫消費者把關
NCAP重點在
1.從市場隨機挑選測試車,避免選手車疑慮
2.由NCAP委託,所以NCAP可以公布數據
所以"送測"就跟NCAP立意不符了
現況沒TW-NCAP下,國產車就都只有通過最基本的"法規撞測"
所以目前所有國產車包含Altis在內的安全性都是"未知數",而且也沒有任何NCAP可參考
注意我講的是"未知數"而不是都"一樣爛",某ID少在那見縫插針
推 kirazxc: 鋼性增加60%都能縮成這樣就是屌02/06 07:53
推 tntbear: 剛性增加60%,你就知道上一代有多軟,根本紙箱02/06 09:01
版上搜尋剛性前幾篇就有討論過,還是透天哥先起頭的
怎麼還一堆推文把剛性跟車體安全性混唯一談......
#1TLWXRPa R: [問題] 以下幾台常見車的剛性如何?(欲購車評估
#1TgVx0Kk R: [討論] 國產12代altis剛性真的好嗎?
#1Tgo3wX2 R: [討論] 國產12代altis剛性真的好嗎?
https://i.imgur.com/36PSBgf.jpg
縱軸是應力、橫軸是應變,應力除以應變(斜率)就是模數用E表示
例如鋼材模數約207 GPa
也就是說在拉伸應力受207 MPa下的應變是0.001,等於1公尺的會被拉長1mm
鋼材強度跟剛性基本上沒啥關係
即使是高強度鋼材(1500 MPa)和一般強度(390 MPa),只要兩者模數相同
在線性區內相同受力(應力)下的變形量會一樣
安全是看整車結構在撞擊下
1. 不被破壞的能力,讓車室有完整空間不會擠壓到駕駛/乘客
2. 吸收能量的能力,盡量不讓駕駛/乘客受衝擊力
撞擊都是非線性的問題了,根本就不是討論剛性的範疇
還有,看鋼材分布也不能直接推論車體安全
Subaru並沒有使用太多高強度鋼材,但靠得宜的結構設計,撞測就是優等生
https://i.imgur.com/MrvIcEg.jpg
→ grace0523: 黑啊 12代底盤比較ok但鈑金還是不行02/05 23:35
都2020了還在看鈑金啊.....
討厭某品牌,直接說就好了咩
我也對國產神A的安全存疑啊
既然存疑那應該趕快多盯TW-NCAP推動進度才對,怎麼會是吵著把車子送出國測試?
也用不著沒做功課,就拿著錯誤資訊亂講一通吧
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