FIA將重啟Hamilton與Trulli超車事件調查 - 一級方程式賽車 Formula One
By Skylar Davis
at 2009-04-02T17:25
at 2009-04-02T17:25
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※ 引述《roxinnccu (觸身球專家)》之銘言:
: ※ 引述《lilneige (lilneige)》之銘言:
: : "A new element has emerged regarding the incident involving car number
: : nine, Jarno Trulli and car number one, Lewis Hamilton during the second
: : Safety Car period of the 2009 Australian Grand Prix," the FIA said in a
: : letter to McLaren.
: 搜尋了一下各相關報導
: 現在這個狀況大概是這樣:
: 『消息指出FIA懷疑火腿/麥隊在澳洲賽後的約詢中沒說實話』
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Despite those comments, however, the stewards claim that Hamilton made no
mention of this during their post-race investigation into the incident,
stating that he infact did not slow down to allow the Toyota to retake
the position. Having received a recording of McLaren's radio channel
broadcast during the race, the FIA has removed entire team from the final
results of the race for providing 'deliberately misleading' information.
This includes McLaren's second driver, Heikki Kovalainen, who will
effectively not suffer the consequences having retired at the end of the
first lap.
簡單的說,就是『消息指出』屬實
在澳洲站賽後的第一次約詢中火腿沒有提到故意讓車的事
so FIA認為火腿/麥隊這是deliberately misleading,刻意誤導賽會干事
所以結果就是:火腿disqualified ,路隊長拿回第三名
心得:
如果嫌自己不夠黑的話可以去買一罐黑色油漆由頭上倒下去,
這樣也不會讓你614漢彌頓比現在更黑了
又該把MP4/23的模型扔掉了
受不了耶,
你火腿在場上的精彩駕駛有必要這樣自己一句話就完全抹煞掉嗎?
況且你對記者都講了,有必要去mislead賽會干事?
想婊人也不是這樣婊的吧,要婊你也婊干事去婊路隊長幹嘛
車隊也是智障,檢舉是你們去檢舉的,讓車指令也是你們下的
今年車是很鳥啦,不過有必要爭個一分把整個車隊的credibility全部爭掉嗎?
今後你麥拉崙+火腿還想在各站的干事面前有什麼好印象啊
暈倒......
: 簡單的說,傳言是這樣講的:
: 在麥隊澳洲賽後向賽會干事提出申訴說路隊長安全車下超車的當下,
: 賽會干事約詢了當事人火腿跟麥隊的代表,
: 而他們當時『都沒有提到是他們故意慢下來讓路隊長過的』
: 這也是不確定的三手消息,
: 有人ex James Allen從麥隊跟賽車場工作人員那邊聽到的然後掀出來
: 說是當時提起申訴時麥隊並沒有告知澳洲站干事這個『故意讓車』的訊息
: 但是事後一如大家在媒體看到的,
: 麥隊從車手到領隊都對外公開宣稱說是故意慢下來讓路隊長過去的
: so FIA的人就很困惑了,於是重啟了這個調查
: 換言之:並不是只有判罰適不適當的問題,
: 而是另外"疑似"火腿/麥隊對FIA虎爛的問題
: 畢竟針對判罰的部份豐田已經不上訴了,所以問題應該不只在於判罰適不適當的問題
: 而且有人去翻出賽例,
: 說即便是安全車deploy下,『前車如果有明顯問題』也是可以超的
: 賽後特努力正是這樣喊冤,
: 說火腿就是那麼明顯的慢下來了,難道他要停住?
: 火腿針對特努力上草皮時他超車也是這樣講的
: 不過顯然麥隊並不清楚這個賽例(遜炮...)
: 所以賽道上如他們自己所講的,叫火腿把位置讓回來
: 然後賽後又去找賽會干事爭取,干事也接受了這樣
: SO比較清楚的事實是:
: 『火腿的車的確是在草皮超越後又刻意慢下來讓路隊長過去』
: 關鍵是澳洲站賽事後,呈現在澳洲站賽會干事面前的事實是不是全貌矣
: 真要援引上面那個有人翻出來的小賽例
: 搭配事後火腿/麥隊自己的發言(刻意減速)的話,
: 則改判回原狀會是比較公平的
: 這部份沒有什麼大問題,真這樣改判了應該也不會有多少人有意見
: 但如果是火腿/麥隊在澳洲賽後干事約詢中沒講實話,
: 刻意誤導澳洲賽會干事導致干事做出如是決定的話
: 那就是麥隊跟火腿的人格問題了~~~~~虎爛干事肯定是無法被接受的
: 所謂更嚴重的懲罰估計指的是這部份,
: 輕則罰款,中則取消前一站排名,
: 重則吊銷火腿本人超級駕照的imply都有...如果虎爛干事的有火腿一份的話
: 但如果是刻意隱瞞實情虎爛賽會干事則事後又何必蠢到去跟記者公開講?
: 所以整件事情還是很奇怪,
: 英國人心機是很重,但應該沒有笨到耍心機又自己出來炫耀打自己一槍的地步
: 反正這次約詢的時間是今天下午一點,馬來西亞本土跟台灣是沒時差的
: (其實應該有,但馬來西亞決定用北京時間當標準...也就是台灣時間)
: 沒啥意外的話今天就會有消息了
: : "Under Article 179bis of the 2009 FIA International Sporting Code the
: : driver of car number one and a team representative are required to report
: : to the stewards at 13:00 hrs on Thursday 2nd April 2009.
: : "In addition to Olafur Gudmundsson and Steve Chopping who were both
: : stewards in Australia, the FIA has designated under Article 179bis
: : Surinder Thatti as the third steward for this hearing."
: : http://planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5132871,00.html
: : 看起來是有新的事証可能推翻原本的判決
: : FIA叫Hamliton 跟一個車隊代表去問話
: : 應該是想要了解麥隊在那個時候到底發生了甚麼事情
--
: ※ 引述《lilneige (lilneige)》之銘言:
: : "A new element has emerged regarding the incident involving car number
: : nine, Jarno Trulli and car number one, Lewis Hamilton during the second
: : Safety Car period of the 2009 Australian Grand Prix," the FIA said in a
: : letter to McLaren.
: 搜尋了一下各相關報導
: 現在這個狀況大概是這樣:
: 『消息指出FIA懷疑火腿/麥隊在澳洲賽後的約詢中沒說實話』
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Despite those comments, however, the stewards claim that Hamilton made no
mention of this during their post-race investigation into the incident,
stating that he infact did not slow down to allow the Toyota to retake
the position. Having received a recording of McLaren's radio channel
broadcast during the race, the FIA has removed entire team from the final
results of the race for providing 'deliberately misleading' information.
This includes McLaren's second driver, Heikki Kovalainen, who will
effectively not suffer the consequences having retired at the end of the
first lap.
簡單的說,就是『消息指出』屬實
在澳洲站賽後的第一次約詢中火腿沒有提到故意讓車的事
so FIA認為火腿/麥隊這是deliberately misleading,刻意誤導賽會干事
所以結果就是:火腿disqualified ,路隊長拿回第三名
心得:
如果嫌自己不夠黑的話可以去買一罐黑色油漆由頭上倒下去,
這樣也不會讓你614漢彌頓比現在更黑了
又該把MP4/23的模型扔掉了
受不了耶,
你火腿在場上的精彩駕駛有必要這樣自己一句話就完全抹煞掉嗎?
況且你對記者都講了,有必要去mislead賽會干事?
想婊人也不是這樣婊的吧,要婊你也婊干事去婊路隊長幹嘛
車隊也是智障,檢舉是你們去檢舉的,讓車指令也是你們下的
今年車是很鳥啦,不過有必要爭個一分把整個車隊的credibility全部爭掉嗎?
今後你麥拉崙+火腿還想在各站的干事面前有什麼好印象啊
暈倒......
: 簡單的說,傳言是這樣講的:
: 在麥隊澳洲賽後向賽會干事提出申訴說路隊長安全車下超車的當下,
: 賽會干事約詢了當事人火腿跟麥隊的代表,
: 而他們當時『都沒有提到是他們故意慢下來讓路隊長過的』
: 這也是不確定的三手消息,
: 有人ex James Allen從麥隊跟賽車場工作人員那邊聽到的然後掀出來
: 說是當時提起申訴時麥隊並沒有告知澳洲站干事這個『故意讓車』的訊息
: 但是事後一如大家在媒體看到的,
: 麥隊從車手到領隊都對外公開宣稱說是故意慢下來讓路隊長過去的
: so FIA的人就很困惑了,於是重啟了這個調查
: 換言之:並不是只有判罰適不適當的問題,
: 而是另外"疑似"火腿/麥隊對FIA虎爛的問題
: 畢竟針對判罰的部份豐田已經不上訴了,所以問題應該不只在於判罰適不適當的問題
: 而且有人去翻出賽例,
: 說即便是安全車deploy下,『前車如果有明顯問題』也是可以超的
: 賽後特努力正是這樣喊冤,
: 說火腿就是那麼明顯的慢下來了,難道他要停住?
: 火腿針對特努力上草皮時他超車也是這樣講的
: 不過顯然麥隊並不清楚這個賽例(遜炮...)
: 所以賽道上如他們自己所講的,叫火腿把位置讓回來
: 然後賽後又去找賽會干事爭取,干事也接受了這樣
: SO比較清楚的事實是:
: 『火腿的車的確是在草皮超越後又刻意慢下來讓路隊長過去』
: 關鍵是澳洲站賽事後,呈現在澳洲站賽會干事面前的事實是不是全貌矣
: 真要援引上面那個有人翻出來的小賽例
: 搭配事後火腿/麥隊自己的發言(刻意減速)的話,
: 則改判回原狀會是比較公平的
: 這部份沒有什麼大問題,真這樣改判了應該也不會有多少人有意見
: 但如果是火腿/麥隊在澳洲賽後干事約詢中沒講實話,
: 刻意誤導澳洲賽會干事導致干事做出如是決定的話
: 那就是麥隊跟火腿的人格問題了~~~~~虎爛干事肯定是無法被接受的
: 所謂更嚴重的懲罰估計指的是這部份,
: 輕則罰款,中則取消前一站排名,
: 重則吊銷火腿本人超級駕照的imply都有...如果虎爛干事的有火腿一份的話
: 但如果是刻意隱瞞實情虎爛賽會干事則事後又何必蠢到去跟記者公開講?
: 所以整件事情還是很奇怪,
: 英國人心機是很重,但應該沒有笨到耍心機又自己出來炫耀打自己一槍的地步
: 反正這次約詢的時間是今天下午一點,馬來西亞本土跟台灣是沒時差的
: (其實應該有,但馬來西亞決定用北京時間當標準...也就是台灣時間)
: 沒啥意外的話今天就會有消息了
: : "Under Article 179bis of the 2009 FIA International Sporting Code the
: : driver of car number one and a team representative are required to report
: : to the stewards at 13:00 hrs on Thursday 2nd April 2009.
: : "In addition to Olafur Gudmundsson and Steve Chopping who were both
: : stewards in Australia, the FIA has designated under Article 179bis
: : Surinder Thatti as the third steward for this hearing."
: : http://planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5132871,00.html
: : 看起來是有新的事証可能推翻原本的判決
: : FIA叫Hamliton 跟一個車隊代表去問話
: : 應該是想要了解麥隊在那個時候到底發生了甚麼事情
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