New Audi A3 35tfsi vs Focus ST Lommel - 汽車
By Gary
at 2021-04-25T11:42
at 2021-04-25T11:42
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※ 引述《Nexus5X ()》之銘言:
: Audi A3 Sportback 2020
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjgUO_WMLEM
: Ford Focus 2018 (mk4)
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_v9sy32Z5I
: 83km/h >>> 75km/h(fail)
: https://i.imgur.com/xHL6utc.png
: ???
: : 售價: Focus > A3 (">"意味較有優勢)
: : 品牌價值: Audi >= Ford (Audi的品牌價值應該是"略高"於Ford,但個人覺得差沒多少)
: : 妥善率: Ford >> A3(新的Focus幾乎沒有什麼災情, 但A3的DQ200變速箱跟吃機油
: : 一直是長久以來無法根治的問題)
: : 所以想請問一下各位,如果這2台的話你們會怎麼選擇呢? 謝謝
每次只要提操控
常常就有人會把km77的moose test拿來說嘴
拿moose test來推論操控性會有個很大的盲點
Focus通過時速:83km/hr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_v9sy32Z5I
Focus ST通過時速:77km/hr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7O-XwrH7pc
難道Focus操控比Focus ST好? (Civic和Civic Type R也是同樣情況)
moose test就是ISO 3888-2
Passenger cars — Test track for a severe lane-change manoeuvre —
Part 2: Obstacle avoidance
https://i.imgur.com/6SMjofX.jpg
開宗明義就講這項是"緊急變換車道"的操控特性,其中的"閃避障礙物"能力
https://i.imgur.com/JY8p3qx.jpg
僅量化整體操控評價中一小部分的操控特性
也就是不能拿單一項目的結果來評價整理操控特性
況且ISO 3888受循跡影響比重很大
常用來比較同底盤下不同車輛動態控制方法的優劣
研究文獻提到循跡策略的幾乎以ISO 3888做為測試工況
Adaptive Robust Vehicle Motion Control for Future Over-Actuated Vehicles
https://reurl.cc/j7GdQq
動態控制好壞會受控制器頻率影響
https://i.imgur.com/GRhey2x.jpg
lateral velocity control
https://i.imgur.com/PKHMm5U.jpg
ISO 3888也不是單純看通過速度而已
yaw velocity(偏擺速度)
lateral acceleration(側向加速度)
vehicle sideslip angle(車輛側滑角)
這些有價值的數據也都會一併記錄下來
再來看看Fastest Lap網站列的數據
https://i.imgur.com/r57PtQ8.jpg
扣除跟動力有關的加減速數據
通常最常拿來參考性能車操控指標的是最大側向G值和繞錐測試(slalom)速度
最大側向G值由ISO 4138穩太態繞圓測試得到
ISO 4138: Passenger cars — Steady-state circular driving behaviour
Method 1 — Constant-radius
Method 2 — Constant steering wheel angle
Method 3 — Constant speed
https://i.imgur.com/7qJsdgN.jpg
繞錐測試全名為Pylon Course Slalom Test
相關規範有GB/T6323.1或CNS 9244 D3131等
https://i.imgur.com/8exGDCm.jpg
其他ISO規範參考
https://i.imgur.com/IMFU61g.jpg
GB/T與操控相關測試項目
https://i.imgur.com/k9PGXjI.jpg
中國汽車工程研究院發表的"汽車操控安全性指數測試評價過程"
http://www.caeri.com.cn/Uploads/Editor/2018-09-04/5b8e3c015d492.pdf
簡單來說
操控需要N項測試結果做總評價,並不是單一測試單一數據指標
要是單看moose test通過時速的數據能代表整體操控評價
那還用的著建立那麼多轉向/操控相關的規範?
一直講著要量化,卻連量化的數字不能代表操控也不曉得
要是車輛底盤能用一個數字代表這麼簡單就好囉
當車廠RD看那麼多項目測那麼多數據是傻子?
moose test之所以常宣傳
是因為在一般道路上,相對較有可能會遇到緊急閃避的情況
但那不代表moose test的通過時速能直接推論"整體操控"
至於說看不到其他測試數據
只能說車輛的操控特性中的某項數據
難道會因為你看不看得到數據而改變這項數據與操控的相關性嗎?
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