「兩年前若不跟裕隆談合作 70年累積的造 - 汽車
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作者: Reewalker (報告饅頭班長不夠) 看板: Stock
標題: [新聞] 「兩年前若不跟裕隆談合作 70年累積的造
時間: Fri Oct 22 12:02:58 2021
原文標題:
「兩年前若不跟裕隆談合作 70年累積的造車經驗就沒了!」 鴻海劉揚偉:找華創合資
台灣才能做電動車
原文連結:
https://reurl.cc/956m1d
發布時間:
2021-10-20
原文內容:
從來沒做過汽車的鴻海(2317),與裕隆(2201)合作才兩年、雙方合資公司鴻華先進成
立才一年,本周一就拿出三款電動車原型車,讓外界刮目相看。
鴻海董事長劉揚偉透露兩年前找上裕隆洽談的內幕,提到若當時不當機立斷,讓虧損累累
的裕隆子公司華創車電得以留在台灣,並成為與鴻海合資的鴻華先進的重要一環,未來台
灣的電動車產業「就沒有了!」
「台灣只有裕隆一家 有正向開發汽車底盤能力」
劉揚偉今(20)日應邀以「台灣電動車的轉型與挑戰」為題,在工商團體三三會的10月份
例會做專題演講,他在40分鐘演講中提到了兩年前與裕隆洽談合作的經過。
「台灣可以自己打造(汽車)底盤、正向開發,從概念、設計到製造,台灣只有一家,只
有裕隆,只有裕隆有正向開發的能力。」
「裕隆很有理念、很有想法,但因為business model(經營模式)的關係,推不出來。前
年我們看到了一些情況,哇,裕隆如果做某些改變,很可能這些人都會散掉。」
「這些人一散掉,估計應該都會到對岸去。如果跑到對岸去,裕隆這70年累積的造車經驗
都沒有了,這可怕的是,台灣就都沒有了!」
「所以那時候當機立斷,說服華創跟它合資,把這些人留下來,把這些經驗傳承下來。傳
承下來後,是不是只給鴻海用呢?不是這些經驗如果只給鴻海用呢,哇,太侷限了!」
「如果開放出來,解決台灣產業一個非常大的問題,也是所有ICT產業過去碰到的問題。
」
ICT產業進軍電動車 一大障礙是摸不到底盤
劉揚偉說明,Microsoft、Amazon、Apple等科技大廠都曾經找汽車大廠談合作,「都碰到
一個問題,我有很好的ICT(資通訊科技),有很好的智能座艙的想法,但是拿到車廠,
車廠說我不理你。」
「你放上來要經過我控制的介面,介面你去拆吧,我不告訴你;我不告訴你,你想做都不
能做。如果不告訴你下面底盤怎麼控制,你有很好的電子能力、軟體能力,你能做什麼?
」
他表示,現在鴻海把裕隆華創累積的經驗,變成開放的底盤平台,讓所有業界都可拿到相
關資訊,未來參與MIH(開放電動車平台)的業者都可基於這個標準去設計軟硬體,「放
到這個平台上,就一定可以用」。
只要車廠不點頭 ICT業者休想了解底盤
劉揚偉也舉例說明,傳統汽車製造業是分了好幾層,在品牌廠以下的供應商分成第一層(
Tier 1)至第四層(Tier 4),通常是第四層供應商供貨給第三層,第三層供貨給第二層
,第二層供貨給第一層,最後由最大咖的供應商(Tier 1)幫品牌廠生產出來。
他說明,若一家Tier 4的日本供應商,跟Toyota做Level 4的自動駕駛(等級第二高的自
駕技術標準),設計完後想取得Toyota的車子,需要知道Toyota的drive by wire(線控
驅動技術)是怎麼控制的。
「Toyota說,可以了,剩下的我來弄,它(供應商)還是不知道,這是目前業界非常大的
問題。(鴻海)希望透過底盤平台及軟體平台,讓台灣ICT產業可以非常容易進入到電動
車市場。」
鴻海提供EV出海口 讓台灣產業不用再為別人打工
劉揚偉還提到,鴻海是為MIH聯盟成員,除了貢獻軟體及底盤平台,還提供了出海口。
「出海口對目前台灣產業非常重要,過去台灣沒有車廠,車廠擁有出海口,如果沒有車廠
,我們要去跟車廠打工、聽車廠的話。」
「過去我們從PC產業出來,都是幫人家打工,做PC的都是兩家打工,一家是intel,一家
是Microsoft,賺錢的都是他們,我們只是賺微薄的錢,這個我們要改變。」
劉揚偉呼籲,希望透過鴻海及MIH平台,打開台灣電動車產業的出海口,「希望使用這個
標準的人愈來愈多、規模愈來愈大,變成一個de facto(事實性的)標準,這是我們的期
望,也需要業界大家一起來努力」。
心得/評論:
「台灣只有裕隆一家 有正向開發汽車底盤能力」
和泰才是台灣車廠龍頭
這樣叫車板一直挺和泰國瑞的某S情何以堪?
70年造車經驗加持
有人要加碼鴻海?
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作者: Reewalker (報告饅頭班長不夠) 看板: Stock
標題: [新聞] 「兩年前若不跟裕隆談合作 70年累積的造
時間: Fri Oct 22 12:02:58 2021
原文標題:
「兩年前若不跟裕隆談合作 70年累積的造車經驗就沒了!」 鴻海劉揚偉:找華創合資
台灣才能做電動車
原文連結:
https://reurl.cc/956m1d
發布時間:
2021-10-20
原文內容:
從來沒做過汽車的鴻海(2317),與裕隆(2201)合作才兩年、雙方合資公司鴻華先進成
立才一年,本周一就拿出三款電動車原型車,讓外界刮目相看。
鴻海董事長劉揚偉透露兩年前找上裕隆洽談的內幕,提到若當時不當機立斷,讓虧損累累
的裕隆子公司華創車電得以留在台灣,並成為與鴻海合資的鴻華先進的重要一環,未來台
灣的電動車產業「就沒有了!」
「台灣只有裕隆一家 有正向開發汽車底盤能力」
劉揚偉今(20)日應邀以「台灣電動車的轉型與挑戰」為題,在工商團體三三會的10月份
例會做專題演講,他在40分鐘演講中提到了兩年前與裕隆洽談合作的經過。
「台灣可以自己打造(汽車)底盤、正向開發,從概念、設計到製造,台灣只有一家,只
有裕隆,只有裕隆有正向開發的能力。」
「裕隆很有理念、很有想法,但因為business model(經營模式)的關係,推不出來。前
年我們看到了一些情況,哇,裕隆如果做某些改變,很可能這些人都會散掉。」
「這些人一散掉,估計應該都會到對岸去。如果跑到對岸去,裕隆這70年累積的造車經驗
都沒有了,這可怕的是,台灣就都沒有了!」
「所以那時候當機立斷,說服華創跟它合資,把這些人留下來,把這些經驗傳承下來。傳
承下來後,是不是只給鴻海用呢?不是這些經驗如果只給鴻海用呢,哇,太侷限了!」
「如果開放出來,解決台灣產業一個非常大的問題,也是所有ICT產業過去碰到的問題。
」
ICT產業進軍電動車 一大障礙是摸不到底盤
劉揚偉說明,Microsoft、Amazon、Apple等科技大廠都曾經找汽車大廠談合作,「都碰到
一個問題,我有很好的ICT(資通訊科技),有很好的智能座艙的想法,但是拿到車廠,
車廠說我不理你。」
「你放上來要經過我控制的介面,介面你去拆吧,我不告訴你;我不告訴你,你想做都不
能做。如果不告訴你下面底盤怎麼控制,你有很好的電子能力、軟體能力,你能做什麼?
」
他表示,現在鴻海把裕隆華創累積的經驗,變成開放的底盤平台,讓所有業界都可拿到相
關資訊,未來參與MIH(開放電動車平台)的業者都可基於這個標準去設計軟硬體,「放
到這個平台上,就一定可以用」。
只要車廠不點頭 ICT業者休想了解底盤
劉揚偉也舉例說明,傳統汽車製造業是分了好幾層,在品牌廠以下的供應商分成第一層(
Tier 1)至第四層(Tier 4),通常是第四層供應商供貨給第三層,第三層供貨給第二層
,第二層供貨給第一層,最後由最大咖的供應商(Tier 1)幫品牌廠生產出來。
他說明,若一家Tier 4的日本供應商,跟Toyota做Level 4的自動駕駛(等級第二高的自
駕技術標準),設計完後想取得Toyota的車子,需要知道Toyota的drive by wire(線控
驅動技術)是怎麼控制的。
「Toyota說,可以了,剩下的我來弄,它(供應商)還是不知道,這是目前業界非常大的
問題。(鴻海)希望透過底盤平台及軟體平台,讓台灣ICT產業可以非常容易進入到電動
車市場。」
鴻海提供EV出海口 讓台灣產業不用再為別人打工
劉揚偉還提到,鴻海是為MIH聯盟成員,除了貢獻軟體及底盤平台,還提供了出海口。
「出海口對目前台灣產業非常重要,過去台灣沒有車廠,車廠擁有出海口,如果沒有車廠
,我們要去跟車廠打工、聽車廠的話。」
「過去我們從PC產業出來,都是幫人家打工,做PC的都是兩家打工,一家是intel,一家
是Microsoft,賺錢的都是他們,我們只是賺微薄的錢,這個我們要改變。」
劉揚偉呼籲,希望透過鴻海及MIH平台,打開台灣電動車產業的出海口,「希望使用這個
標準的人愈來愈多、規模愈來愈大,變成一個de facto(事實性的)標準,這是我們的期
望,也需要業界大家一起來努力」。
心得/評論:
「台灣只有裕隆一家 有正向開發汽車底盤能力」
和泰才是台灣車廠龍頭
這樣叫車板一直挺和泰國瑞的某S情何以堪?
70年造車經驗加持
有人要加碼鴻海?
--
如何嘴砲 反駁對方的重點──◢◣█確實指出人家論點的錯誤性 ψQSWEET
駁斥──────◢ ◣█用引言指出對方錯誤或矛盾的地方( █優質論文)
在嘴砲王 相反的觀點──◢████◣█列出相反的論點並以事實當證據( █ 辯論社)
應該出現 矛盾────◢██████◣█列出相反的論點但不加以證實( ██論壇)
的元素 攻擊態度─◢████████◣█質疑對方的態度和口氣 ( ██匿名版)
人身攻擊↘偏見↗ ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄█攻擊身份和能耐█幹你娘(█ 小朋友)
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