台南市轎車撞上行人母子 3歲女童命危 - 開車

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作者: oh5566oh5566 (みのり我老婆) 看板: Tainan
標題: Re: [新聞] 台南市轎車撞上行人母子 3歲女童命危
時間: Mon May 8 16:03:35 2023
雖然推文跟各大新聞或台南粉專留言都在檢討駕駛 又或者要人車分離號誌
別鬧了 連日本都不會所有路口都這樣搞
雖然駕駛素質是真的不好
但真的只靠駕駛提升素質就能改善了嗎?
啊先打預防針 這件事肇責100%在開車駕駛
免得會有只會二分法的說我檢討行人
首先先看一下現場街景
https://i.imgur.com/6qsm9xt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/p1mq4t9.jpg
然後再看看日本類似路型
https://i.imgur.com/vevMUsJ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yZtHBsn.jpg
可以稍微比對一下
行穿線退縮 沒有
路緣轉角突出增加視野 沒有
視野良好的人行道 沒有
左轉專用道 沒有
左轉專用時相 沒有
以上措施如果有做個兩項我想很大程度上可以救這小女孩甚至未來會死在這路口的人
以工程面來看的話台灣最簡單可以做就是行穿線退縮
現今這種緊貼著路口的行穿線有個很大的問題就是會造成視野死角
新聞中駕駛自稱A柱擋住 雖然聽起來是藉口但遺憾的是也是事實
台灣絕大多數路口就算依照導引線行駛也會有這種情況發生
https://i.imgur.com/GD3gXcZ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/4q8rXn7.jpg
但是如果行穿線退縮的話就能讓車輛正對著行穿線 最大程度的減少死角
也能增加行人與駕駛更多反應時間 就代表更多容錯空間
另一個最需要改善的就是機會左轉
台灣車禍最大宗的原因就是未依規定讓車
其中最多的就是直行車撞左轉車
左轉車本就應該獨立出來
但是台灣卻放給駕駛自己找機會
變成駕駛要左轉的話理論上必須同時注意對向來車以及斑馬線行人
示意圖 剛好朋友帶360去事故現場拍攝
https://i.imgur.com/GWLEuuk.jpg
要「同時」看到以上畫面喔
除非你是變色龍不然我想應該沒辦法
但只要左轉號誌獨立出來左轉車就無需注意行人與對向直行車了(闖紅燈除外不討論)
也能更固定每個路口左轉可消化之車流
常走西門成功應該知道 有時候一個綠燈只能左轉2.3台 然後直行車跟著被卡死 超智障
你說路窄放不了左轉道?
https://i.imgur.com/ZbXjykK.jpg
怎麼別人就可以
雖然講那麼多 但我想會理解的人也不多
政府部門也不會去改善
但就算只有少數人能改變觀念也是好事
別在覺得改變素質就能改善交通了
日本也是先改變交通工程之後才慢慢讓駕駛人素質提升
然後這過程花了2.30年
只要求改變人民素質是交通部卸責用的洗腦藉口而已
事實上交通工程做的人性化 素質自然會上來
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作者: oh5566oh5566 (みのり我老婆) 看板: Tainan
標題: Re: [新聞] 台南市轎車撞上行人母子 3歲女童命危
時間: Mon May 8 16:03:35 2023
雖然推文跟各大新聞或台南粉專留言都在檢討駕駛 又或者要人車分離號誌
別鬧了 連日本都不會所有路口都這樣搞
雖然駕駛素質是真的不好
但真的只靠駕駛提升素質就能改善了嗎?
啊先打預防針 這件事肇責100%在開車駕駛
免得會有只會二分法的說我檢討行人
首先先看一下現場街景
https://i.imgur.com/6qsm9xt.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/vevMUsJ.jpg


行穿線退縮 沒有
路緣轉角突出增加視野 沒有
視野良好的人行道 沒有
左轉專用道 沒有
左轉專用時相 沒有
以上措施如果有做個兩項我想很大程度上可以救這小女孩甚至未來會死在這路口的人
以工程面來看的話台灣最簡單可以做就是行穿線退縮
現今這種緊貼著路口的行穿線有個很大的問題就是會造成視野死角
新聞中駕駛自稱A柱擋住 雖然聽起來是藉口但遺憾的是也是事實
台灣絕大多數路口就算依照導引線行駛也會有這種情況發生
https://i.imgur.com/GD3gXcZ.jpg


但是如果行穿線退縮的話就能讓車輛正對著行穿線 最大程度的減少死角
也能增加行人與駕駛更多反應時間 就代表更多容錯空間
另一個最需要改善的就是機會左轉
台灣車禍最大宗的原因就是未依規定讓車
其中最多的就是直行車撞左轉車
左轉車本就應該獨立出來
但是台灣卻放給駕駛自己找機會
變成駕駛要左轉的話理論上必須同時注意對向來車以及斑馬線行人
示意圖 剛好朋友帶360去事故現場拍攝
https://i.imgur.com/GWLEuuk.jpg

除非你是變色龍不然我想應該沒辦法
但只要左轉號誌獨立出來左轉車就無需注意行人與對向直行車了(闖紅燈除外不討論)
也能更固定每個路口左轉可消化之車流
常走西門成功應該知道 有時候一個綠燈只能左轉2.3台 然後直行車跟著被卡死 超智障
你說路窄放不了左轉道?
https://i.imgur.com/ZbXjykK.jpg

雖然講那麼多 但我想會理解的人也不多
政府部門也不會去改善
但就算只有少數人能改變觀念也是好事
別在覺得改變素質就能改善交通了
日本也是先改變交通工程之後才慢慢讓駕駛人素質提升
然後這過程花了2.30年
只要求改變人民素質是交通部卸責用的洗腦藉口而已
事實上交通工程做的人性化 素質自然會上來
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