特斯拉失控狂飆時速198公里失事 致2 - 汽車
By Liam
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※ 引述《fin123 (ptt)》之銘言:
: 他都知道擦車減速下來
: 他都不知道踩一下剎車?
: 他都不知道松一下油門?
: https://i.imgur.com/bFbKjVi.jpg
: https://i.imgur.com/A1cExVk.jpg
: https://i.imgur.com/x55Qbng.jpg
: https://i.imgur.com/pS7xUB8.jpg
: https://i.imgur.com/qwqBgiw.jpg
: https://i.imgur.com/bBpBnhE.jpg
: 這件事和潮州相比,感覺人為可能性更小,大家怎麼看?
談這問題前講個飛機的事
我有個長輩是台灣少數維修飛機有美國證照且當過講師的人
曾跟我說飛機比汽車還安全而且品質更嚴格
他說波音飛機上有三個飛控電腦(我不知真假)
平時就一個在使用另外兩個在旁待命
只要一個故障就會換另一個接手
還有你開著波音飛機想做自殺飛行
把機頭直接往下 電腦是不允許的
因為電腦會掌控飛機以它認為最安全的方式進行飛行
-end-
那之前的波音737好幾架墜機是怎麼回事?
有網友就以民間偵測到的數據
對東航那架墜毀的737飛行路徑做分析
還原當時飛機的狀態
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MfSJuEGoRY&t=15s
可以看到
該飛機在先下墜後中間有一小段是拉升起平飛的
但後來又往下墜
飛機會有這種行為
網路上有種說法就是飛控電腦接收到的尾翼訊號是錯誤的
導致它會修正飛行員的駕駛行為
不斷的調整尾翼 電腦以為飛機這樣會平飛
而實際上飛機是在下墜但飛行員又控制不了
說到這裡
是不是跟特斯拉事故有點像?
如果真的飛行電腦或感應器元件有問題
波音會承認這種錯誤嗎?
它只要承認 那就是巨大的經濟損失
不只737不能賣 其他機型生意也會受影響
但波音也無法塞錢給開飛機的人要他承認是他自己幹的
因為他死了 一切就是給黑盒子判斷
但黑盒子只是紀錄訊號 不包含飛機所有sensor
它也不能重現飛行員開飛機的畫面
拉回特斯拉這件事
電腦也有可能接收到正常的訊號
油門位置是開啟的 但駕駛者明明沒有踩油門
或者駕駛已踩了煞車
但煞車訊號是0 所以電腦不控制煞車助力器作動
這樣後台就算叫出數據
也可判斷一定是駕駛者踩錯踏板
如果特斯拉要挽回信心
最簡單的方法就是標配鏡頭
或者購買特斯拉的人自己去裝
從車頂中央上方往腿部照
就可記錄駕駛所有行為
這樣以後再發生事故
拿出影片就可以讓大家心服口服
就像我要說特斯拉跟比亞迪很安全
也要拿出影片一樣
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRuw2ROslQY
兩者碰撞都是五星
--
: 他都知道擦車減速下來
: 他都不知道踩一下剎車?
: 他都不知道松一下油門?
: https://i.imgur.com/bFbKjVi.jpg
: https://i.imgur.com/A1cExVk.jpg
: https://i.imgur.com/x55Qbng.jpg
: https://i.imgur.com/pS7xUB8.jpg
: https://i.imgur.com/qwqBgiw.jpg
: https://i.imgur.com/bBpBnhE.jpg
: 這件事和潮州相比,感覺人為可能性更小,大家怎麼看?
談這問題前講個飛機的事
我有個長輩是台灣少數維修飛機有美國證照且當過講師的人
曾跟我說飛機比汽車還安全而且品質更嚴格
他說波音飛機上有三個飛控電腦(我不知真假)
平時就一個在使用另外兩個在旁待命
只要一個故障就會換另一個接手
還有你開著波音飛機想做自殺飛行
把機頭直接往下 電腦是不允許的
因為電腦會掌控飛機以它認為最安全的方式進行飛行
-end-
那之前的波音737好幾架墜機是怎麼回事?
有網友就以民間偵測到的數據
對東航那架墜毀的737飛行路徑做分析
還原當時飛機的狀態
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MfSJuEGoRY&t=15s
可以看到
該飛機在先下墜後中間有一小段是拉升起平飛的
但後來又往下墜
飛機會有這種行為
網路上有種說法就是飛控電腦接收到的尾翼訊號是錯誤的
導致它會修正飛行員的駕駛行為
不斷的調整尾翼 電腦以為飛機這樣會平飛
而實際上飛機是在下墜但飛行員又控制不了
說到這裡
是不是跟特斯拉事故有點像?
如果真的飛行電腦或感應器元件有問題
波音會承認這種錯誤嗎?
它只要承認 那就是巨大的經濟損失
不只737不能賣 其他機型生意也會受影響
但波音也無法塞錢給開飛機的人要他承認是他自己幹的
因為他死了 一切就是給黑盒子判斷
但黑盒子只是紀錄訊號 不包含飛機所有sensor
它也不能重現飛行員開飛機的畫面
拉回特斯拉這件事
電腦也有可能接收到正常的訊號
油門位置是開啟的 但駕駛者明明沒有踩油門
或者駕駛已踩了煞車
但煞車訊號是0 所以電腦不控制煞車助力器作動
這樣後台就算叫出數據
也可判斷一定是駕駛者踩錯踏板
如果特斯拉要挽回信心
最簡單的方法就是標配鏡頭
或者購買特斯拉的人自己去裝
從車頂中央上方往腿部照
就可記錄駕駛所有行為
這樣以後再發生事故
拿出影片就可以讓大家心服口服
就像我要說特斯拉跟比亞迪很安全
也要拿出影片一樣
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRuw2ROslQY
兩者碰撞都是五星
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