當塞車讓高速公路不再高速 魏明谷主張不 - 汽車

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作者: ptrpoint (*ptr) 看板: Gossiping
標題: [新聞] 當塞車讓高速公路不再高速 魏明谷主張不
時間: Sat Oct 12 22:24:01 2019
※發文無1~6小標格式或未依順序任意刪除者會被刪文
1.媒體來源:
※ 例如蘋果日報、自由時報(請參考版規下方的核准媒體名單)
聯合報
2.記者署名
※ 沒有在這打上記者署名的新聞會被水桶14天 編輯非記者
※ 外電至少要有來源或編輯 如:法新社
記者劉明岩
3.完整新聞標題:
※ 標題沒有完整寫出來 ---> 依照板規刪除文章
當塞車讓高速公路不再高速 魏明谷主張不該計程收費
4.完整新聞內文:
※ 社論特稿都不能貼!違者刪除(政治類水桶3個月),貼廣告也會被刪除喔!可詳看版規
國慶連續假期,台水公司、彰化縣前縣長魏明谷今天從雲林往彰化北上的高速公路上,一
路塞車,一度動彈不得,他在個人臉書上,不禁有感而發地認為「 當高速公路不是高速
公路,計程收費就不該計程收費」,多少反映了許多用路人心聲。
魏明谷說,高速公路之所以稱為高速公路,是因為可以提供快速的行車速度,提供便利,
以金錢換取時間,因此,需要計程通行費;反之,當高速公路無法提供順暢高速的用路品
質,就失去了它的意義,除無法掌握時間、速度,還帶給用路人相當困擾,理當不可計程
收費。尤其這樣的連續假期,這樣的行車速度品質,你認為呢?
魏明谷的感慨,臉書上獲得200多個留言,反應十分熱烈,正反聲音都有。有的網友支持
他的看法,「政府鴨霸啦!上高速超速要罰錢,速度未達標準還是罰錢,可是如果因為塞
車車子龜速前進或是動彈不得時用路人自己承擔,這個賭盤好像人民永遠是輸家喔!」「
高速公路塞車,用路人很不高興不爽又要繳費,應該要退費」,「高速高收費,低速低收
費,或許在計程收費外,也可考慮加入時間因素(一寸光陰一寸金)」。
不過,不認同魏明谷看法也很多,「沒看過哪個國家高速公路收費那麼低的,因為收費高
才會三思使用,還想不收費會不會太扯。」「應該從道路設計源頭或是駕駛人 駕駛行車
教育來思考,才能真正解決交通問題。」、「時速無上限~就不會塞車了」、「短距離不
適合走高速公路,應走替代道路,中長程需要!」也有網友說「預估到塞車時我會提早走
平面道路避開、如果連續假期塞車,沒收過路費可能會更塞吧!如果尖峰時段加收、離峰
時段減收、是否可分流?」
另有網友持平建議,請陳素月委員可以在交通委會提案請交通部及所屬運輸研究所、高公
局、公路總局等單位,就最佳道路服務層級面相研議彈性收費、分時管控、及短程替代道
路分流機制;一來可以持續保有穩定歲收養護高速公路,維持其使用品質,二來可以保持
最適公路容量,有效減緩尖峰時刻交通量。
魏明谷卸任後,常在臉者上議論公共政策,當他此次表達國道塞車不該計程收費看法時,
網友認為他應該去跟林佳龍反映,甚至換他去當交通部長。
魏明谷回應說,發文的想法是高速公路塞車就不要收費,因為用路品質不好!不是只指連
續假期而已,包括上下班顛峰的塞車潮,甚至發生車禍時的塞車,所在乎的是「高速」的
品質。公共議題大家都可以想一想,都可以討論的!」
5.完整新聞連結 (或短網址):
※ 當新聞連結過長時,需提供短網址方便網友點擊
https://udn.com/news/story/7325/4100878
心得:不如收高一點還比較有可能
高乘載跟只有一兩位的收同樣費用
關稅那麼高還是一堆人買車
高鐵大眾運輸蓋了也是一樣
時機一到當然會塞...
--
作者: ptrpoint (*ptr) 看板: Gossiping
標題: [新聞] 當塞車讓高速公路不再高速 魏明谷主張不
時間: Sat Oct 12 22:24:01 2019
※發文無1~6小標格式或未依順序任意刪除者會被刪文
1.媒體來源:
※ 例如蘋果日報、自由時報(請參考版規下方的核准媒體名單)
聯合報
2.記者署名
※ 沒有在這打上記者署名的新聞會被水桶14天 編輯非記者
※ 外電至少要有來源或編輯 如:法新社
記者劉明岩
3.完整新聞標題:
※ 標題沒有完整寫出來 ---> 依照板規刪除文章
當塞車讓高速公路不再高速 魏明谷主張不該計程收費
4.完整新聞內文:
※ 社論特稿都不能貼!違者刪除(政治類水桶3個月),貼廣告也會被刪除喔!可詳看版規
國慶連續假期,台水公司、彰化縣前縣長魏明谷今天從雲林往彰化北上的高速公路上,一
路塞車,一度動彈不得,他在個人臉書上,不禁有感而發地認為「 當高速公路不是高速
公路,計程收費就不該計程收費」,多少反映了許多用路人心聲。
魏明谷說,高速公路之所以稱為高速公路,是因為可以提供快速的行車速度,提供便利,
以金錢換取時間,因此,需要計程通行費;反之,當高速公路無法提供順暢高速的用路品
質,就失去了它的意義,除無法掌握時間、速度,還帶給用路人相當困擾,理當不可計程
收費。尤其這樣的連續假期,這樣的行車速度品質,你認為呢?
魏明谷的感慨,臉書上獲得200多個留言,反應十分熱烈,正反聲音都有。有的網友支持
他的看法,「政府鴨霸啦!上高速超速要罰錢,速度未達標準還是罰錢,可是如果因為塞
車車子龜速前進或是動彈不得時用路人自己承擔,這個賭盤好像人民永遠是輸家喔!」「
高速公路塞車,用路人很不高興不爽又要繳費,應該要退費」,「高速高收費,低速低收
費,或許在計程收費外,也可考慮加入時間因素(一寸光陰一寸金)」。
不過,不認同魏明谷看法也很多,「沒看過哪個國家高速公路收費那麼低的,因為收費高
才會三思使用,還想不收費會不會太扯。」「應該從道路設計源頭或是駕駛人 駕駛行車
教育來思考,才能真正解決交通問題。」、「時速無上限~就不會塞車了」、「短距離不
適合走高速公路,應走替代道路,中長程需要!」也有網友說「預估到塞車時我會提早走
平面道路避開、如果連續假期塞車,沒收過路費可能會更塞吧!如果尖峰時段加收、離峰
時段減收、是否可分流?」
另有網友持平建議,請陳素月委員可以在交通委會提案請交通部及所屬運輸研究所、高公
局、公路總局等單位,就最佳道路服務層級面相研議彈性收費、分時管控、及短程替代道
路分流機制;一來可以持續保有穩定歲收養護高速公路,維持其使用品質,二來可以保持
最適公路容量,有效減緩尖峰時刻交通量。
魏明谷卸任後,常在臉者上議論公共政策,當他此次表達國道塞車不該計程收費看法時,
網友認為他應該去跟林佳龍反映,甚至換他去當交通部長。
魏明谷回應說,發文的想法是高速公路塞車就不要收費,因為用路品質不好!不是只指連
續假期而已,包括上下班顛峰的塞車潮,甚至發生車禍時的塞車,所在乎的是「高速」的
品質。公共議題大家都可以想一想,都可以討論的!」
5.完整新聞連結 (或短網址):
※ 當新聞連結過長時,需提供短網址方便網友點擊
https://udn.com/news/story/7325/4100878
心得:不如收高一點還比較有可能
高乘載跟只有一兩位的收同樣費用
關稅那麼高還是一堆人買車
高鐵大眾運輸蓋了也是一樣
時機一到當然會塞...
--
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