經過25.6萬公里後,Tesla電池衰減不到10% - 汽車

Isla avatar
By Isla
at 2018-04-15T12:58

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來源:https://goo.gl/En63LE

Tesla battery degradation at less than 10% after over 160,000 miles,
according to latest data

根據最新數據顯示,Tesla 電池在超過 160,000 英里之後衰退不到10%

Battery degradation is one of the biggest concerns for electric car owners
and potential buyers, but data from Tesla battery packs have been very
reassuring so far.

電動車車主跟潛在買家最擔心的問題之一是電池退化,但是迄今為止,Tesla 電池組的
數據非常令人放心。

Now the latest data shows less than 10% degradation of the energy capacity
after over 160,000 miles on Tesla’s battery packs.

現在最新數據顯示,在開了超過 160,000 英里後,Tesla 電池組電量下降不到10%

A group of Tesla owners on the Dutch-Belgium Tesla Forum are gathering data
from over 350 Tesla vehicles across the world and frequently updating it in a
public Google file.

荷蘭-比利時 Tesla 論壇上的一群 Tesla 車主正在收集世界各地350多輛 Tesla 的數據,
並經常在公共Google文件中更新它。

We have previously reported on the data, but they have since added many more
vehicles and those vehicles have been driving a lot more – completing more
battery cycles.

The data clearly shows that for the first 50,000 miles (100,000 km), most
Tesla battery packs will lose about 5% of their capacity, but after the
50,000-mile mark, the capacity levels off and it looks like it could be
difficult to make a pack degrade by another 5%.

數據清楚地表明,在第一個 50,000 英里(100,000公里)後,大多數 Tesla 電池組
容量將會減少約5%,但是過了 50,000 英里後,電量要再衰減另一個5%看起來相當困難

The trend line currently suggests that the average battery pack could cycle
through over 300,000 km (186,000) before coming close to 90% capacity.

目前的趨勢線表明,電池組在接近 90% 的容量之前,平均可以超過 300,000公里

Here are the relevant charts from the data gathering effort (full chart on
the left and zoomed to 80% on the right):

以下是相關數據的圖表(上方完整圖表,下方把範圍縮減至80%-100%):

https://i.imgur.com/N1B917a.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/o0mSfwl.jpg

Screen Shot 2018-04-14 at 2.56.15 PM Screen Shot 2018-04-14 at 2.54.02 PM
There are a few outlier battery packs out there and they tried to figure out
why by gathering other data, like frequency of DC fast-charging and daily
state of charge, but there’s no clear indication that any of those factors
have any significant impact based on their data.

有幾個離群值電池組在那裡,他們也通過蒐集其他數據試圖找出為什麼,
例如使用直流快充的頻率、每日充電狀態,但沒有明確證據指出這些因素中
的任何一個會因其而對電池組容量產生重大影響。

With this said, Jeff Dahn, a renowned battery researcher and the leader of
Tesla’s research partnership through his battery-research group at Dalhousie
University, said that he recommends charging to only 70% daily in order to
extend battery life.

著名的電池研究人員,Tesla在 Dalhousie 大學電池研究小組的領導人,Jeff Dahn表示,
建議每天僅充電到70%以延長電池壽命。

Tesla warns that it does not cover battery degradation from “battery usage”
under its Model S and Model X warranty up to any specific level:

特斯拉警告說,Model S/X 的電池保固並不涵蓋電池退化到任何特定等級:

“The Battery, like all lithium-ion batteries, will experience gradual energy
or power loss with time and use. Loss of Battery energy or power over time or
due to or resulting from Battery usage, is NOT covered under this Battery
Limited Warranty. See your owner documentation for important information on
how to maximize the life and capacity of the Battery.”

"與所有鋰離子電池一樣,電池隨著時間和使用將會經歷逐漸的電量或功率損耗。
本電池有限保修範圍不包含電池電量或功率因隨時間或由於電池使用而產生的電量損失。
有關如何最大限度地延長電池壽命和容量的重要信息,請參閱您的車主文件。"

But for the Model 3, Tesla introduced a warranty with a new 70% battery
capacity retention guarantee.

但對於Model 3,Tesla 推出了新的70%電池容量保證保固。

The Model 3 is equipped with different battery cells and a new battery pack
architecture, but if data from the Model S is any indication, it shouldn’t
be an issue.

Electrek’s Take

Battery degradation is often a big concern for new electric vehicle buyers.
To a certain degree, the Nissan Leaf might be to blame since it had a lot of
issues in that regard, which is why Nissan has a much more comprehensive
battery capacity warranty now.

新電動車買家常常擔心電池退化問題。
在某種程度上,Nissan Leaf 可能會被抱怨,因為它在這方面有很多問題,
這就是為什麼 Nissan 現在擁有更全面的電池容量保證。

A recent study shows that with the original 24 kWh pack loses about 20% of
their capacity over 5 years and Nissan’s more recent 30 kWh battery pack
loses capacity more quickly than the older pack:

最近的一項研究表明,Leaf 最早的 24kWh 電池組在5年內損失了其容量的20%,
而 Nissan 最近的 30kWh 電池組的容量比舊電池組的容量損失更快:

https://i.imgur.com/8r4Bm4e.jpg

But Tesla’s vehicles arguably have a much more advanced battery thermal
management system than the Leaf and data from early Model S vehicles has been
really encouraging as we can see above.

但是 Tesla 的車輛擁有比 Leaf 更先進的電池熱管理系統,
而早期 Model S 的數據確實令人感到鼓舞,正如我們上面所看到的。

As for anecdotal data, my own Model S, which is one of the first 2,000
vehicles ever made, only lost about 6% capacity over 5 years.

而我自己的 Model S 是最早期的頭兩千輛車之一,5年多僅僅損失了6%的容量。

CEO Elon Musk has been hyping even more potential for Tesla battery pack by
once referring to a battery pack that Tesla was testing in the lab. He said
that the company had simulated over 500,000 miles on it by repeatedly cycling
it and that it was still operating at over 80% of its original capacity. At
that point, the car itself is more likely to give up than the battery pack at
this kind of mileage.

Tesla CEO Elon Musk 在一次訪談中曾經提到過在實驗室測試中的 Tesla 電池組的潛力。
他表示,該公司通過反覆循環模擬了超過50萬英里的行駛里程,電池組仍以超過原始電量
80%運作。就這點來看,到了這種里程汽車本身比電池組更有可能被丟棄。


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之前在板上也有發過相關新聞的文章:

文章代碼(AID): #1O6BXAyL (car)
文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/car/M.1478015050.A.F15.html

文章代碼(AID): #1Oy2wH0g (car)
文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/car/M.1492135569.A.02A.html

這篇新聞可以算是之前的數據更新

蒐集的車輛數據也更多

也有 Nissan Leaf 的電池組資料

雖然 Leaf 的電池組比較小,所以衰退會更明顯是必然的,但沒想到差距有點大

尤其是更舊更小的 24kWh 電池組表現反而要比更新更大的 30kWh 電池組要來的好的多

這點讓人感覺到有些疑問

是換了電池供應商嗎?

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All Comments

Hardy avatar
By Hardy
at 2018-04-17T12:41
你買了沒?
Elizabeth avatar
By Elizabeth
at 2018-04-22T09:14
未來電動車耗材變這麼少,車商怎麼賺錢
Lucy avatar
By Lucy
at 2018-04-25T05:39
可是瑞凡,特斯拉常壞的不是電池啊~
Poppy avatar
By Poppy
at 2018-04-26T11:49
又在捧股價
Madame avatar
By Madame
at 2018-04-30T11:31
so?
Leila avatar
By Leila
at 2018-05-04T12:09
可是瑞凡 撞上路障爆炸 那電池管理再怎麼猛也沒用呀
Edward Lewis avatar
By Edward Lewis
at 2018-05-08T07:54
Leaf第一代電池是有嚴重衰退問題.所以後來才有第二代24k
至於現在的30kwh.就不知道為什麼會那麼嚴重了.
Eden avatar
By Eden
at 2018-05-13T06:59
股價上升囉
Emily avatar
By Emily
at 2018-05-13T23:42
你買了沒??? 見你一次噓一次
Zanna avatar
By Zanna
at 2018-05-17T10:16
電池不是特斯拉的 所以你要說甚麼????????????
Liam avatar
By Liam
at 2018-05-18T20:01
噓你超有意義的啊 意義都不懂 摳連
Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2018-05-21T10:50
其實這坊間數據沒啥技術意義 在澳洲的緩衝電池組才是精華
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2018-05-25T16:01
要噓也有點料,亂噴只會讓人感覺低能
Zenobia avatar
By Zenobia
at 2018-05-29T14:20
經過25.6萬公里後,汽油車油箱衰減不到0.1%
Liam avatar
By Liam
at 2018-05-31T23:00
經過25.6萬公里後,只有雙田還能順順開,其他不是上課就是報廢
Dinah avatar
By Dinah
at 2018-06-05T14:52
實際電池容量跟放電能力可能有一定程度超過顯示數值
Jessica avatar
By Jessica
at 2018-06-09T01:10
只是讓你感覺衰減很慢 可能100%的使用量他用130%的電池
Daph Bay avatar
By Daph Bay
at 2018-06-12T10:37
電池組不用裝電池膩~~~ 可笑!!!
John avatar
By John
at 2018-06-16T05:48
樓上!!依照特斯拉的宣稱自駕車的特性 非常有可能
Vanessa avatar
By Vanessa
at 2018-06-18T03:44
之後破解改車方向大概是找馬達上限然後解開電池管理封印
Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2018-06-18T19:00
太神啦!! 這麼讚的東西Sca葛格什麼時候要弄一台阿
George avatar
By George
at 2018-06-19T02:43
不過Sca葛格你的8鏡頭資料找到沒? 要承認是自己唬爛的沒?
Freda avatar
By Freda
at 2018-06-21T22:51
痾 油箱不衰減但是油耗會稍微退步一點點吧,至於有沒有
到10%就不知道了
Heather avatar
By Heather
at 2018-06-25T00:13
信徒
Caroline avatar
By Caroline
at 2018-06-27T05:36
這是特拉拉跟華爾街「希望」你知道的事...
Sandy avatar
By Sandy
at 2018-06-28T02:19
又要發垃圾債了嗎?
Anthony avatar
By Anthony
at 2018-06-30T12:18
封缸經過的26.5萬公里後你內燃機效率還剩多少
Daniel avatar
By Daniel
at 2018-07-05T06:56
可以問一下有人知道Tesla如何處理廢棄鋰電池嗎?用Space
X射到外太空?
Sandy avatar
By Sandy
at 2018-07-10T06:50
就跟之前他們實驗室做的預測模型一致
Oliver avatar
By Oliver
at 2018-07-10T12:17
不過leaf那個真的很奇葩...
Xanthe avatar
By Xanthe
at 2018-07-11T13:45
除了無意義廢文,你還會什麼?
Aaliyah avatar
By Aaliyah
at 2018-07-12T04:45
TESLA專心賣電池和充電系統給其他廠商會不會比較好啊
Hedy avatar
By Hedy
at 2018-07-15T02:05
鋰電池變成電站儲能比打碎回收更環保
Eartha avatar
By Eartha
at 2018-07-16T06:33
你連Bosch客戶有多廣都不曉得我也不知道該跟你說啥了
Anonymous avatar
By Anonymous
at 2018-07-20T15:03
難怪NISSAN要賣掉電池製造 太廢了阿~
William avatar
By William
at 2018-07-22T00:26
事實不管,然後自己假設了一堆情境來推論能說明什麼?
Sierra Rose avatar
By Sierra Rose
at 2018-07-26T21:30
難怪連發廢文很會,只會鸚鵡樹嵐的把我在別篇文寫的複製貼
上 OGC
Agatha avatar
By Agatha
at 2018-07-29T04:46
等你買
Tristan Cohan avatar
By Tristan Cohan
at 2018-08-01T03:56
嗯,等你開箱
Ina avatar
By Ina
at 2018-08-05T10:41
教主有錢買電池了沒?
Catherine avatar
By Catherine
at 2018-08-06T08:23
承認工商特斯拉很難喔
Lucy avatar
By Lucy
at 2018-08-07T07:38
還會跟博世裝熟 噁心吧啦
Emily avatar
By Emily
at 2018-08-10T07:38
自己腦補博世供應商關係還說別人看圖說故事 XDDDDDDDDDDD
很會
George avatar
By George
at 2018-08-14T12:58
說中了就跳針嗆別人不懂bosch 你妹的你就懂?
Faithe avatar
By Faithe
at 2018-08-17T17:13
咖笑
Madame avatar
By Madame
at 2018-08-17T21:39
hi 跳針王
Oscar avatar
By Oscar
at 2018-08-18T01:19
文盲看不懂我沒法幫你 只有表情XDDDDD BI
Odelette avatar
By Odelette
at 2018-08-22T08:26
戳中你痛處喔 XDDDDDDD
Enid avatar
By Enid
at 2018-08-26T16:12
噓你很方便啊 一隻指頭就好了
Anonymous avatar
By Anonymous
at 2018-08-27T04:41
教主 你不只缺鈣吧
Catherine avatar
By Catherine
at 2018-08-29T01:58
500不夠買鈣嗎
Linda avatar
By Linda
at 2018-08-31T02:22
被嗆跳針不懂bosch很大 啊那裡大
Steve avatar
By Steve
at 2018-09-02T20:04
是要多腦羞才會崩潰怒噓啊
Jessica avatar
By Jessica
at 2018-09-03T08:40
EZder
Brianna avatar
By Brianna
at 2018-09-06T22:50
是要多高潮才會崩潰怒推啊
Dorothy avatar
By Dorothy
at 2018-09-09T03:47
我還在想這種內文怎麼會X3 原來有人崩潰
Joseph avatar
By Joseph
at 2018-09-11T18:06
感覺很正常的文章被噓到3x 我也是醉了
Connor avatar
By Connor
at 2018-09-12T23:08
某人真是超低等戰法...
Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2018-09-16T10:06
特斯拉就算真的倒了 這電池管理技術應該也一堆公司想買
Zora avatar
By Zora
at 2018-09-18T06:00
都有人高潮推了
Yuri avatar
By Yuri
at 2018-09-21T22:25
繼續噴水推
Brianna avatar
By Brianna
at 2018-09-23T01:54
有教主當然有教徒推啊
Sarah avatar
By Sarah
at 2018-09-25T21:44
這麼好的車 一直推薦 但自己卻不下手 到底是為何呢??
Agnes avatar
By Agnes
at 2018-09-26T06:35
不買沒關係,去登記試個車發一篇心得文也可以,卻從來
沒看過,每次關於操駕的說法都是看媒體,沒開過卻一直
推,有點怪吧?
Ula avatar
By Ula
at 2018-09-30T16:56
跟只騎過勁戰每天推馬川、酸神A的差不多吧?大概就差在
文獻資料解讀能力高好幾個等級而已
Bethany avatar
By Bethany
at 2018-10-03T07:02
你文章8成以上跟tesla有關 而且只有捧 挺的太誇張 跟其他分
Poppy avatar
By Poppy
at 2018-10-07T01:54
享文章的車友差很多 而且 你報喜不報憂的立場太明顯 版上
目前沒有一個發文章的車友是像你這樣 你開什麼車 說實在 沒
人管你 但當你狂捧tesla 捧電車 貶低燃油車或其他車廠時候
阿你又不是車主又不買 那才是奇怪的事情
Tristan Cohan avatar
By Tristan Cohan
at 2018-10-09T14:28
教主說的好!豐田自己不思進取,還捨鋰電玩什麼燃料電
池這種沒未來的技術,命運將如nokia,這本來就是事實
教主實話實說,絕對沒有取笑的意思
Kumar avatar
By Kumar
at 2018-10-11T10:09
你有看我質疑過0111或v大嗎?沒有,因為人家是車主
Joe avatar
By Joe
at 2018-10-13T19:07
你的說法會讓人覺得,你只是透過書面資料在解讀、評斷
產品,然後又對自己喜愛的品牌大多給予「非常高」的評
Carol avatar
By Carol
at 2018-10-17T20:51
價,這樣的準確性、可信度就會受人質疑了
James avatar
By James
at 2018-10-19T20:58
你現在開什麼車我覺得不重要,大家只是想知道,到底有
Jacky avatar
By Jacky
at 2018-10-20T04:27
沒有買特斯拉或者開過特斯拉而已
Hamiltion avatar
By Hamiltion
at 2018-10-21T22:01
如果是車主,大方承認應該沒什麼吧?
Wallis avatar
By Wallis
at 2018-10-24T17:26
老話一句 是的話早就拿出來打臉了 XD
Isabella avatar
By Isabella
at 2018-10-27T05:44
來挺傑森
Steve avatar
By Steve
at 2018-10-28T02:46
車版哪時有新規定說要有車才能貼文?
Oliver avatar
By Oliver
at 2018-10-29T03:47
那這樣未上市的車怎麼辦?
Queena avatar
By Queena
at 2018-11-01T23:31
希望樓上幾個嗆聲的也都有那台車才發相關的文
Sierra Rose avatar
By Sierra Rose
at 2018-11-06T17:55
不然打自己巴掌打那麼響我看了都覺得痛
Audriana avatar
By Audriana
at 2018-11-08T19:04
樓上你這樣.....打太用力啦XD
James avatar
By James
at 2018-11-13T13:05
沒說一定要有車啊,至少要開過吧?一般人除了上千萬的
車不容易開到以外,一般車去試個車應該沒問題吧?
Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2018-11-14T15:35
或是不一定該款車,至少該品牌要親自體驗過吧?
Doris avatar
By Doris
at 2018-11-16T00:02
所以樓上發文的車都開過嗎?
John avatar
By John
at 2018-11-18T06:38
我不敢說百分百都開過,但至少同一個品牌的我基本上都
開過幾款了我才會發
Thomas avatar
By Thomas
at 2018-11-19T15:24
喔?這麼有自信?那我們來a一下
Jessica avatar
By Jessica
at 2018-11-21T21:05
最後一篇是在講Toyota這個應該絕大多數人都開過
倒數第二篇是在講大車,那請問您開過幾款的大車?
Kyle avatar
By Kyle
at 2018-11-25T07:26
倒數第三篇在講Honda SENSING,那請問您開過幾款HS?
Linda avatar
By Linda
at 2018-11-28T15:55
倒數第四篇在講Hilux,那請問您開過幾款的Hilux?
Sierra Rose avatar
By Sierra Rose
at 2018-12-03T08:18
倒數第五篇在講S3 EV,那請問您開過幾款S3 EV?
打自己巴掌打這麼響,不痛嗎?
Freda avatar
By Freda
at 2018-12-04T11:50
自己做不到的事卻大言不慚的要求別人,這是車版常態?
Jacob avatar
By Jacob
at 2018-12-07T19:29
但是我有捧嗎?我只是分享新聞陳述事實而已
Margaret avatar
By Margaret
at 2018-12-08T22:40
有啦,我的確很常捧T/L,因為台灣有進的我大多開過啊
Linda avatar
By Linda
at 2018-12-10T00:07
而且,特斯拉,台灣有進的也才兩款,登記試乘很難嗎?
Ethan avatar
By Ethan
at 2018-12-10T20:40
況且我又沒說,我都開過,只說同一個品牌我至少都開過
幾款而已
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2018-12-11T04:29
況且,某人幾乎只發某牌的文卻疑似沒開過,不是很奇怪
Victoria avatar
By Victoria
at 2018-12-13T20:34
嗎?
Catherine avatar
By Catherine
at 2018-12-18T12:32
樓上算了 那個w就prius板的s
Agnes avatar
By Agnes
at 2018-12-22T21:56
你圈子很小 像豬圈一樣小嗎?
William avatar
By William
at 2018-12-25T09:02
喔?剛剛說發文?現在又改成捧了?那又要怎麼定義捧?
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By Genevieve
at 2018-12-26T21:56
對別人的要求就是要開過才能發文
對自己的要求就是同品牌的就可以發文
George avatar
By George
at 2018-12-31T18:48
我如果繼續a你的文可能又會退而求其次同集團就行
Regina avatar
By Regina
at 2019-01-02T23:48
最後我猜是有四顆輪子的都算吧?
Cara avatar
By Cara
at 2019-01-07T22:03
我說~自己先做到再來要求別人吧?
Bennie avatar
By Bennie
at 2019-01-12T17:58
自己a一下自己,自己照照鏡子,好嗎?
Noah avatar
By Noah
at 2019-01-16T06:51
我從頭到尾都是說至少要開過該品牌,問題是有人貌似是
Linda avatar
By Linda
at 2019-01-20T20:18
連整天捧的品牌開都沒開過,我哪時有要求要全部開過,
真奇怪...
Hedwig avatar
By Hedwig
at 2019-01-25T13:24
我到底哪一句話讓你覺得一定要「每一款」都開過了?
Noah avatar
By Noah
at 2019-01-25T19:53
我只是想強調,至少要開過那個「品牌」,不要沒有實際
體驗就整天只知道捧
Susan avatar
By Susan
at 2019-01-26T10:12
建議您自己開一個版然後自已定版規好了
Kyle avatar
By Kyle
at 2019-01-27T13:25
反正什麼都你說算啊~
一下子要開過該車款才能發文
一下子要開過開車款才能捧
一下子又變成開過該品牌才能發文
Emma avatar
By Emma
at 2019-02-01T10:40
好啦~就算讓你規矩一直改好了
你要不要自己a一下你自己
看看是不是發過的文該品牌你都開過啊?
Regina avatar
By Regina
at 2019-02-02T10:54
自己先做到再來要求別人吧?
自己a一下自己,自己照照鏡子,好嗎?
Heather avatar
By Heather
at 2019-02-04T13:43
所以,我到底哪一句話說了「每一款」都要開了?
開過該「品牌」是我一直強調的啊
Joseph avatar
By Joseph
at 2019-02-05T23:41
而且我的重點在於,今天某人很愛一個牌子,卻根本沒開
Charlotte avatar
By Charlotte
at 2019-02-10T11:01
過,這不是很好笑嗎?最後我承認啦,我發過文的「品牌
」,雙龍跟Kia沒開過,其他的還真的都開過耶,怎麼辦?
Damian avatar
By Damian
at 2019-02-14T08:37
我的推文明明有這樣說,「不一定該款車,至少該品牌要
親自體驗過吧?」,這句話不就說明了,至少是那個品牌
嗎?解讀能力可不可以強一點....
Caroline avatar
By Caroline
at 2019-02-19T03:20
我到底哪一句話讓你覺得我規定某人一定要開過特牌「全
部」的車款?

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