豐田會長解釋為何豐田推動電動車比人慢 - Toyota

William avatar
By William
at 2017-09-06T16:39

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講這篇新聞之前想先講一下日本的公司管理階層組織架構,跟台灣不大相同

可能很多人也了解就請跳過(講錯的地方請指正)

日本的公司會長類似於董事長、集團主席

而社長都是由取締役會(董事會)裡面的各類取締役(董事)選出,實際負責公司經營

相當於CEO或總經理

社長退任後也常常擔任會長一職,但不是絕對

豐田目前的社長是豐田章男(1956年生,61歲)

會長則是内山田竹志(1946年生,71歲)

這次出來講話的是會長內山田,不是豐田章男



內山田在接受專訪時表示,他懷疑消費者會立刻投向電動車的懷抱

豐田不是排斥電動車,但是要提供足夠的續航力,電動車必須安裝許多電池

也要花很多時間充電,並且電池的壽命也是一項問題

他認為車輛在完全由電池驅動之前,還必須經歷2~3次的電池技術突破

但他也坦承,隨著中國與美國法令的改變

車廠若不推出電動車的話就會被淘汰出局,所以豐田正在研發比較好的電池技術



Electrek的觀點認為豐田是在等待法令改變之後(變的更嚴)再投入更多的技術在電動車上

換句話說若不是法令的關係,豐田對於鋰電池電動車是興趣缺缺

豐田目前的EV部門是由豐田章男領導,預計要在2020年推出第一台純電動車

豐田的北美高層其實也還是專情於燃料電池車,內部的雜音其實很大

這種事情也不難想像,豐田這種大公司內部的決策過程要改變其實很難

很多事情不是豐田章男一個人說了算

雖然豐田本身也有意識到決策緩慢這問題進行組織再造,但成果還有待觀察
https://ifun01.com/P9ITF2X.html

現在算是被中國的法令逼著要推出鋰電池電動車

內山田不曉得知不知道Tesla Model S被拿去當計程車

已經有3年40萬公里甚至是2年48萬公里的實例出現?

並且電池建康度保持得很好

他到現在還在懷疑鋰電池電動車的續航力與壽命問題是不是有些過時了呢?

松下與豐田也算是好基友,難道豐田都沒有向松下徵詢過專業意見嗎?

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Toyota chairman explains why they are falling behind with electric vehicles

Toyota is undoubtedly lagging behind the rest of the auto industry when it
comes to all-electric vehicles. They don’t have a single purely
battery-powered car on the market since discontinuing the Rav4 EV, which was
a compliance car with a powertrain made by Tesla, and they don’t plan to
have one for the next few years. We reviewed the Prius Prime which we found
disappointing, noting that it was a shame that this green innovator had
fallen so far.

Takeshi Uchiyamada, Toyota’s Chairman, laid out why they are not making
significant moves in the sector.


He told CNBC earlier today:

“I must say up front that we’re not against electric vehicles. But in order
for electric vehicles to cover long distances, they currently need to be
loaded with a lot of batteries that take a considerable amount of time to
charge. There’s also the issue of battery life, But as laws and regulations
(that encourage the development of electric vehicles) come into effect in
places like China and the U.S., car makers will have no choice but to roll
out electric vehicles or risk going out of business. Toyota is no exception,
but we’re skeptical there would be a rapid shift to pure electric vehicles,
given questions over user convenience.”

In other words, they don’t believe battery technology is where it needs to
be to enable all-electric vehicles and they are waiting for regulations to
become more demanding before they invest more heavily in the technology.

Electrek’s Take

The problem with waiting for regulations to drive the market is that they are
not actually waiting. They are actually actively backing efforts to slow down
those same regulations, which makes their motive very clear.

Toyota has been betting on more efficient and durable internal combustion
engines for decades now and they got good at it. Their assets are now linked
to the production of those engines and going electric means to be leaving
that behind.

It’s true that battery technology still has room to improve, but it’s not
true to say that battery-powered EVs are not viable today. Tesla, Nissan,
Renault, and other automakers have been making hundred of thousands of them.

EVs are getting better at it every year as battery technology has been
improving, but Toyota is waiting on battery “breakthroughs”, said
Uchiyamada, instead of working with the incremental improvements.

Toyota recently showed some signs of moving to battery-electric cars. They
announced that Akio Toyoda, the company’s CEO and grandson of founder
Kiichiro Toyoda, is now President of a new ‘EV Business Planning’
department that will oversee the launch of an all-electric vehicle by 2020.

It was an encouraging move for EV enthusiasts, but now that kind of language
from Uchiyamada is discouraging.

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All Comments

Agnes avatar
By Agnes
at 2017-09-10T09:42
反正等到普及的時候就知道誰要脫隊了
Poppy avatar
By Poppy
at 2017-09-13T01:48
日本企業在反應上面真的蠻像大恐龍的XD
Michael avatar
By Michael
at 2017-09-17T04:21
有跟他們合作過就知道了..會議上大家點頭如搗蒜 結果回
去後還是用老路子在做 寄個信要CC幾百個人 結果幾百個
Caitlin avatar
By Caitlin
at 2017-09-19T09:32
等著被鴻海收購
Delia avatar
By Delia
at 2017-09-19T17:02
裡面沒有任何一個可以做決策 XDDD
Poppy avatar
By Poppy
at 2017-09-23T21:05
然後很多事情有很多不透明的陋習...尤其是帳目QQ
Rosalind avatar
By Rosalind
at 2017-09-27T19:32
你覺得新聞都看得到事 他這種等級的人會不知道?
Bethany avatar
By Bethany
at 2017-09-28T00:00
電量夠跟電壓夠是兩回事
Eartha avatar
By Eartha
at 2017-09-28T17:48
然後通過里程驗證和時間驗證又是兩回事,不然照這里程
一堆人一輩子都不一定開的到,特斯拉也不會只保固八年
Carolina Franco avatar
By Carolina Franco
at 2017-09-29T13:11
嗯,豐田真的很悲哀,廢到笑,連特斯拉都不知道,慘慘
Edward Lewis avatar
By Edward Lewis
at 2017-10-02T05:52
凱泰表示......
Frederica avatar
By Frederica
at 2017-10-04T16:10
日常發揮
Emily avatar
By Emily
at 2017-10-06T06:36
雖然特粉S有幾次表現出腦粉的樣子,但是特黑們都是為黑而
Tom avatar
By Tom
at 2017-10-10T09:56
黑的呢,S是懷疑為何豐田會長為何說出這種話而已啊
Una avatar
By Una
at 2017-10-15T04:51
我是覺得啦,豐田也是很奇怪,要搞什麼東西基本上信手
拈來都有,因為資本雄厚,錢丟下去要研發什麼技術都不
是大問題。但唯獨在新能源車這塊的策略詭異到一個地步
Donna avatar
By Donna
at 2017-10-16T22:01
,持續精進油電車、插電式油電車是正確,但一直不願意
放棄氫氣到底是為何?去年去台場試過Mirai(未來)後,
直覺就是這車根本沒未來。
Jessica avatar
By Jessica
at 2017-10-21T11:15
大型組織就這樣 放棄某條路線等於自砍這個部門的前途 不是
Anthony avatar
By Anthony
at 2017-10-22T00:49
那麼快能決定的 豐田已經算一路走來都沒什麼大錯了...
Freda avatar
By Freda
at 2017-10-23T20:50
至於鋰電池技術,其實特斯拉又不是強在電池,是強在電
控。現在用的鋰電池又不是什麼多新的產品,之所以能有
高效率跟續航力還是在於一台車上真的載了一堆,然後電
控、能源管理技術很強。我相信要開發強大的能源管理技
Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2017-10-26T22:41
術對豐田不難啊,油電這麼複雜都可以了...
Ophelia avatar
By Ophelia
at 2017-10-29T08:01
因為日本用電習慣,所以Tesla的充電並不被認為已是成熟產品
Mason avatar
By Mason
at 2017-10-30T21:01
根據日本的能源結構,精進油電車才是最佳解,問題是豐
田要做的應該是世界的豐田而不只是日本的豐田,所以至
少也要有點動作才對。
Suhail Hany avatar
By Suhail Hany
at 2017-11-01T05:02
豐田就算要推全電也會是類似LEAF之類的產品(iQ EV)
Ingrid avatar
By Ingrid
at 2017-11-05T18:34
都算是試水溫吧
Aaliyah avatar
By Aaliyah
at 2017-11-06T21:12
可以預計豐田10年後,將被特斯拉取代。
Gary avatar
By Gary
at 2017-11-11T14:53
氫能車是配合日本政府做的
日本一直希望能借多元能源產業擺脫能源依賴
Gary avatar
By Gary
at 2017-11-14T02:15
看到NOKIA的影子
Hedwig avatar
By Hedwig
at 2017-11-16T12:18
mirai要在日本國內活是OK,拿去國外推銷就是蠢了
John avatar
By John
at 2017-11-18T22:23
本來就只在美國跟日本推而已吧
Cara avatar
By Cara
at 2017-11-20T11:12
豐田跟Nokia的情況不大一樣,如果豐田會真的那麼慘,
那有一大票其他傳統大廠會先GG
William avatar
By William
at 2017-11-20T20:31
tesla的電池技術太屌
電動車大家都會做,關鍵在電池
Regina avatar
By Regina
at 2017-11-20T22:58
那改為看到黑莓機的影子XD還在堅持什麼
Xanthe avatar
By Xanthe
at 2017-11-21T22:09
拿手機來比汽車我是覺得不太正確,汽車的週期比手機還
長太多了。
Ina avatar
By Ina
at 2017-11-26T08:14
拿手機來比真的太好笑了吧 開燃油車根開電動車差異遠
遠低於智慧型跟非智慧型手機好嗎
Joe avatar
By Joe
at 2017-11-29T21:01
而且買一隻手機考量的點跟買一台車要考量的點差太多了
手機就價錢功能看一看就好
Rachel avatar
By Rachel
at 2017-11-30T11:30
智慧型手機能上網 能看影片 能付款 功能要比非智慧型
Liam avatar
By Liam
at 2017-12-03T21:44
多太多 但電動車哩? 自駕嗎? 這燃油車也行阿
William avatar
By William
at 2017-12-06T04:02
2020年東京奧運就會有答案了
Quanna avatar
By Quanna
at 2017-12-06T21:46
氫氣在日本超神的能源載體好嗎 主要是他們整體能源環境
用大量的LNG配上暖氣管線根本就是為氫氣而生的國家
Zora avatar
By Zora
at 2017-12-07T12:19
不過反正Toyota BMS技術本來就好 所以也不擔心
Edwina avatar
By Edwina
at 2017-12-10T11:36
反正T牌本來就不是走創新路線 是走可靠和穩定的車型
Susan avatar
By Susan
at 2017-12-12T21:32
所以你很少看到T牌有那種看起來領先一世代的技術(不過
Anthony avatar
By Anthony
at 2017-12-13T20:10
Hybrid系統真的是屌打) 但他目標就是弄出更穩定的版本
Ursula avatar
By Ursula
at 2017-12-18T13:34
model3只能開350km,充滿要一小以上,這樣夠用?
Eden avatar
By Eden
at 2017-12-21T02:18
我個人認為電車起碼要有110p,撐600km,十分鐘充飽
才有普及的可能
Rebecca avatar
By Rebecca
at 2017-12-21T18:12
T牌很創新啊!油電車就是創新的代表...
Caitlin avatar
By Caitlin
at 2017-12-26T04:35
組織越大 反應越慢....
Skylar DavisLinda avatar
By Skylar DavisLinda
at 2017-12-27T14:57
說個笑話,T牌不創新
Adele avatar
By Adele
at 2017-12-30T11:21
T牌在傳統車廠裡 算是比較保守的 以利潤為優先
Sarah avatar
By Sarah
at 2018-01-03T13:01
解決充電問題,電動車就天下無敵了
例如10分鐘300km就夠了
Joseph avatar
By Joseph
at 2018-01-06T19:52
發展氫氣,跟日本的能源結構和政府政策也有關係
面對車界蘋果,Toyota會變成三星還是Nokia呢?
Gary avatar
By Gary
at 2018-01-08T07:28
有些概念 如果還看不到實質利益 大概不太會去做
Una avatar
By Una
at 2018-01-10T12:18
日本人 不意外 不想放棄以前建立的江山 職人精神
Donna avatar
By Donna
at 2018-01-12T08:37
自從豐田內部改公司制後,資源就在內鬥中消耗
Hedwig avatar
By Hedwig
at 2018-01-13T05:06
超充 20分可以充200km ....首先你要先花半小時到超充站
Connor avatar
By Connor
at 2018-01-16T09:14
然後要超充站"剛好"有空位,而若通往超充站的道路壅塞
那可能30分鐘會加長到60分鐘
Leila avatar
By Leila
at 2018-01-21T05:52
先有本事在全台灣國道休息區建置足夠數量的超充站
把充電網建立起來,而且要那種超充的.....
Kama avatar
By Kama
at 2018-01-23T21:15
只是,大概很少人知道契約容量這玩意吧....:D
Elma avatar
By Elma
at 2018-01-24T01:05
樓上你會被嗆太多假設狀況
Thomas avatar
By Thomas
at 2018-01-28T12:18
豐田也許沒把握做出特斯拉那麼優質的電池吧
Kelly avatar
By Kelly
at 2018-01-31T02:01
豐田有價格跟維修優勢啊 全換電動他的優勢就沒了 豐田
Ina avatar
By Ina
at 2018-02-04T16:44
我怎麼覺得原po對於toyota不想做電動車很在意啊...
Frederica avatar
By Frederica
at 2018-02-05T08:32
說不定他在新聞講的都只是藉口 沒看見利潤不想做而已

百萬以下房車選擇 阿塔/馬川/神A/硬皮鯊

Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2017-09-05T21:23
已經開了廿年的美規進口Camry,今年邁入大修階段了。 所以開始尋找下一台車,由於預算為百萬以內, 有家庭了,所以希望安全放第一,且後座能夠至少【擠】下兩小一大, 且每年都會開個幾趟的蘇花,每個月都會往山上跑, 看了神A/馬三/阿塔/硬皮鯊,發現各有缺點,實在難以選擇啊。 神A安全性隱憂、馬三後座空 ...

BMW 118i 促銷車

Joe avatar
By Joe
at 2017-09-05T20:16
※ 引述《AlanRikkin (聖殿騎士)》之銘言: : 看下面排名就知道了 : MB andgt; Audi andgt; BMW andgt; Volvo andgt; Lexus = Infiniti andgt;= Toyota = Honda = Volkswagen : = Mazda = Su ...

BYD追上EV領先者,7月銷量 = Tesla + BMW

Erin avatar
By Erin
at 2017-09-05T17:19
http://i.imgur.com/RvYxHPL.png 七月份全球約共銷出了超過8.8萬輛新能源車(包括插電式混合車與純電動車) 比起去年同期成長超過40%,今年累計銷售已經超過54.5萬輛 七月份賣的最好的新能源車款是BYD 宋 http://i.imgur.com/qJolmMU.jpg ...

Mazda2 於紐西蘭拉力錦標賽 優勝

Daniel avatar
By Daniel
at 2017-09-05T14:25
網頁圖文好讀版 https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/car/M.1504592746.A.330.html 推特看到的消息 http://mzracing.jp/global/8783 馬自達車隊的馬二在紐西蘭北島贏得紐西蘭當地的拉力錦標賽優勝 http://mzracing.jp/wp-con ...

和泰車70周年 黃南光:拼16連霸

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at 2017-09-05T13:15
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