馬斯克回應「電動車還不是靠火力發電」 - 汽車

By Joseph
at 2017-06-12T12:50
at 2017-06-12T12:50
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伊隆・馬斯克回應「電動車還不是靠火力發電」:超級充電站將裝太陽能屋頂自給自足
http://imgur.com/Zm3DhpL
特斯拉超級充電站的充電體驗是難以挑剔的,120kW 的輸出功率可以在 40 分鐘內將一輛
Model S 90 從 0 充到 80%。如果說有什麼值得詬病的地方的話,在目前依舊以火力發
電為主的台灣,特斯拉將污染從汽車轉移到發電廠的說法一直不絕於耳。然而特斯拉超級
充電站新政策的推出,可能讓車主再也用不到火力發電產生的電了。
6/9 有位網友在 Twitter 上 @特斯拉 CEO Elon Musk:「呵呵,在特斯拉超級充電站身
上我看到了火力發電廠的影子,所有你玩的這些概念遊戲背後(動力來源)都是由煤炭燃
燒驅動的。」
Musk 旋即回覆稱:「所有的超級充電站都在進行太陽能屋頂 + 能源牆的改造,隨著時間
的推移,幾乎所有的超級充電站都將斷開與國家電網的的連接。」
http://imgur.com/lzAjCoD
利用太陽能發電、然後將電儲存在充電站,讓前來充電的特斯拉車主體驗真正的 乾淨能
源,這是特斯拉自 2012 年底發表超級充電站時就提出的藍圖。但彼時特斯拉尚未收購太
陽能企業 Soalrcity,太陽能電池板的發電效率和成本都沒有達到大規模部署的臨界點,
這成為藍圖遲遲沒有落地的根本原因。最終的結果是,前期超過 800 個超級 充電站中只
有 6 個鋪設了太陽能屋頂。
去年 11 月,特斯拉完成了對 Solarcity 的收購,收購的完成使得兩家企業的溝通成本
大大降低。更重要的是,特斯拉相繼發表了新款企業級儲能系統 Powerpack 和能源效率
得到改進的太陽能屋頂,換句話說,實現當年太陽能驅動超級充電站藍圖的時機開始成熟
。
發表太陽能屋頂後不久 Musk 就曾表示,在陽光明媚的地區,新的太陽能屋頂加上新
Powerpack 可以為超級充電站提供電力供應,尤其是全年無雪的地區,將超級充電站接
入國家電網是完全不必要的。
但注意上面的回應,Musk 的話變成了隨著時間的推移,「幾乎所有(almost all)」的
超級充電站都將斷開與國家電網的連接。這是否意味著特斯拉太陽能電池板的能源效率得
到了突破?
為了迎接 Model 3 的到來,特斯拉今年 4 月發表了新的超級充電站擴建計劃。去年
Model 3 的發表會上,特斯拉宣佈到 2017 年全球各地的超級 充電站總數能夠達到
7000 個,或許是考慮到 Model 3 不斷高漲的市場需求(訂單已經逼近 50 萬輛),4
月公佈的新計劃將這一指標修正為 10000 個。
真正的資訊量蘊含在官方公告的渲染圖中,從圖中可以看到,特斯拉第一次將商店和超級
充電站建在一起,同時充電口前所未有的達到了 80 個左右,作為對比,目前全球最大的
特斯拉超級充電站僅有 20 個充電站。此外,接近一半的充電站上方都鋪設了太陽能電池
板,這可能是特斯拉新建超級充電站的參考設計方案。
http://imgur.com/EeEfxzj
在台灣超級充電站佈點發展部分,依然會維持去年透露率先完成北高長距離佈點,未來將
持續往台中、台南及高雄佈點,預計今年上半年將完成 50 座超級充電站建置,但短時間
內應該會先以在台北地區增加充電站為主。除了讓車主透過隨車附贈家用充電座在家充電
,Tesla 未來也將擴展於賣場、飯店等特定地點的充電站位置,估計今年上半年內將可完
成建置 200 座此類充電站,配合更多超級充電站讓 Tesla 車主能更方便地為車輛充電。
接著來聊聊那位網友提到的問題,如果超級充電站的電力來源是火力發電廠,購買電動汽
車有什麼意義?怎麼反駁電動汽車「污染轉移論」?
從兩個角度說明問題,第一,不是所有國家都是以火力發電為主的,例如美國加州的太陽
能發電、北部的風力發電已經大規模應用;與此同時,所有的燃油車都會有尾氣排放,這
是一定的。
第二,具體到中國這樣以火力發電為主的國家呢?來看看 Musk 的回應:
「把同類化石燃料,比如天然氣,把它輸送到發電廠發電,會有 60% 的綜合燃燒效率,
但如果放在加天然氣的內燃機中,目前為止最高的綜合燃燒效率只有 20%。即使考慮到傳
輸過程中電量的損耗,電動汽車加發電廠的方案對內燃機直接燃燒也有著明顯的優勢,這
還沒有考慮汽油、柴油、天然氣從石油中提煉過程中所消耗的能源。另外,風電水電太陽
能發電這些可持續能源發電方式對能源的利用率一直在顯著提升,換句話說,他們在總發
電量中所佔的比重會越來越大,而內燃機燃燒效率的提升,在很多年前就遇到了瓶頸。」
來自中國廈門政府官網的一則名為《純電動汽車與普通汽車的能源轉換效率對比》的公告
與 Musk 所說的具體指標有出入,但同樣證實了「電動車更環保」的觀點:
「傳統內燃機汽車效率為 38%,又因為汽車在市內行駛中頻繁的停車、低速行駛等,造成
內燃機空轉或處在低效率區,其最終效率不過 12%。純電動汽車停車時無機器空轉,95%
以上的電池能量可轉為汽車的動力,即使考慮到原油的發電效率、送配電效率、電池充放
電效率,其最終效率也可達到 19%。」
這裡還有一個問題,又是儲能系統又是電動汽車,廢舊電池也很污染環境的,這是特斯拉
的原罪!然而——
4 月底,美國證券交易委員會披露,特斯拉共同創辦人兼 CTO JB Straubel 和特斯拉特
別專案負責人 Andrew Stevenson 發起成立了新公司 Redwood Materials,用於佈局電池
及其他材料的回收和再製造。
JB Straubel 在先前的演講中透露,特斯拉會在超級電池工廠中盡可能 100% 的回收電池
原材料。這不同於業內將尚未報廢的舊電池應用於儲能系統或是對能源效率要求較低的情
況進行二次利用的做法。Straubel 對此嗤之以鼻:「對電池的二次利用既不具備緊急效
益,也沒有很好的利用價值。」
成立了新公司 Redwood Materials 以佈局電池材料回收與再利用領域後,特斯拉也就完
成了動力電池從製造、銷售,到回收再製造的產業閉環。
最後,對 Musk 和廈門市政府都不信的同學,建議特斯拉電動車、太陽能屋頂和家庭儲能
系統能源牆一起買,一勞永逸的解決污染源問題,也不枉特斯拉在全球的超級充電站親自
上陣示範。
https://goo.gl/OkfE7y
在地大的國家大量設置太陽能是ok的
但如果像台灣這樣的環境呢?
--
http://imgur.com/Zm3DhpL
特斯拉超級充電站的充電體驗是難以挑剔的,120kW 的輸出功率可以在 40 分鐘內將一輛
Model S 90 從 0 充到 80%。如果說有什麼值得詬病的地方的話,在目前依舊以火力發
電為主的台灣,特斯拉將污染從汽車轉移到發電廠的說法一直不絕於耳。然而特斯拉超級
充電站新政策的推出,可能讓車主再也用不到火力發電產生的電了。
6/9 有位網友在 Twitter 上 @特斯拉 CEO Elon Musk:「呵呵,在特斯拉超級充電站身
上我看到了火力發電廠的影子,所有你玩的這些概念遊戲背後(動力來源)都是由煤炭燃
燒驅動的。」
Musk 旋即回覆稱:「所有的超級充電站都在進行太陽能屋頂 + 能源牆的改造,隨著時間
的推移,幾乎所有的超級充電站都將斷開與國家電網的的連接。」
http://imgur.com/lzAjCoD
利用太陽能發電、然後將電儲存在充電站,讓前來充電的特斯拉車主體驗真正的 乾淨能
源,這是特斯拉自 2012 年底發表超級充電站時就提出的藍圖。但彼時特斯拉尚未收購太
陽能企業 Soalrcity,太陽能電池板的發電效率和成本都沒有達到大規模部署的臨界點,
這成為藍圖遲遲沒有落地的根本原因。最終的結果是,前期超過 800 個超級 充電站中只
有 6 個鋪設了太陽能屋頂。
去年 11 月,特斯拉完成了對 Solarcity 的收購,收購的完成使得兩家企業的溝通成本
大大降低。更重要的是,特斯拉相繼發表了新款企業級儲能系統 Powerpack 和能源效率
得到改進的太陽能屋頂,換句話說,實現當年太陽能驅動超級充電站藍圖的時機開始成熟
。
發表太陽能屋頂後不久 Musk 就曾表示,在陽光明媚的地區,新的太陽能屋頂加上新
Powerpack 可以為超級充電站提供電力供應,尤其是全年無雪的地區,將超級充電站接
入國家電網是完全不必要的。
但注意上面的回應,Musk 的話變成了隨著時間的推移,「幾乎所有(almost all)」的
超級充電站都將斷開與國家電網的連接。這是否意味著特斯拉太陽能電池板的能源效率得
到了突破?
為了迎接 Model 3 的到來,特斯拉今年 4 月發表了新的超級充電站擴建計劃。去年
Model 3 的發表會上,特斯拉宣佈到 2017 年全球各地的超級 充電站總數能夠達到
7000 個,或許是考慮到 Model 3 不斷高漲的市場需求(訂單已經逼近 50 萬輛),4
月公佈的新計劃將這一指標修正為 10000 個。
真正的資訊量蘊含在官方公告的渲染圖中,從圖中可以看到,特斯拉第一次將商店和超級
充電站建在一起,同時充電口前所未有的達到了 80 個左右,作為對比,目前全球最大的
特斯拉超級充電站僅有 20 個充電站。此外,接近一半的充電站上方都鋪設了太陽能電池
板,這可能是特斯拉新建超級充電站的參考設計方案。
http://imgur.com/EeEfxzj
在台灣超級充電站佈點發展部分,依然會維持去年透露率先完成北高長距離佈點,未來將
持續往台中、台南及高雄佈點,預計今年上半年將完成 50 座超級充電站建置,但短時間
內應該會先以在台北地區增加充電站為主。除了讓車主透過隨車附贈家用充電座在家充電
,Tesla 未來也將擴展於賣場、飯店等特定地點的充電站位置,估計今年上半年內將可完
成建置 200 座此類充電站,配合更多超級充電站讓 Tesla 車主能更方便地為車輛充電。
接著來聊聊那位網友提到的問題,如果超級充電站的電力來源是火力發電廠,購買電動汽
車有什麼意義?怎麼反駁電動汽車「污染轉移論」?
從兩個角度說明問題,第一,不是所有國家都是以火力發電為主的,例如美國加州的太陽
能發電、北部的風力發電已經大規模應用;與此同時,所有的燃油車都會有尾氣排放,這
是一定的。
第二,具體到中國這樣以火力發電為主的國家呢?來看看 Musk 的回應:
「把同類化石燃料,比如天然氣,把它輸送到發電廠發電,會有 60% 的綜合燃燒效率,
但如果放在加天然氣的內燃機中,目前為止最高的綜合燃燒效率只有 20%。即使考慮到傳
輸過程中電量的損耗,電動汽車加發電廠的方案對內燃機直接燃燒也有著明顯的優勢,這
還沒有考慮汽油、柴油、天然氣從石油中提煉過程中所消耗的能源。另外,風電水電太陽
能發電這些可持續能源發電方式對能源的利用率一直在顯著提升,換句話說,他們在總發
電量中所佔的比重會越來越大,而內燃機燃燒效率的提升,在很多年前就遇到了瓶頸。」
來自中國廈門政府官網的一則名為《純電動汽車與普通汽車的能源轉換效率對比》的公告
與 Musk 所說的具體指標有出入,但同樣證實了「電動車更環保」的觀點:
「傳統內燃機汽車效率為 38%,又因為汽車在市內行駛中頻繁的停車、低速行駛等,造成
內燃機空轉或處在低效率區,其最終效率不過 12%。純電動汽車停車時無機器空轉,95%
以上的電池能量可轉為汽車的動力,即使考慮到原油的發電效率、送配電效率、電池充放
電效率,其最終效率也可達到 19%。」
這裡還有一個問題,又是儲能系統又是電動汽車,廢舊電池也很污染環境的,這是特斯拉
的原罪!然而——
4 月底,美國證券交易委員會披露,特斯拉共同創辦人兼 CTO JB Straubel 和特斯拉特
別專案負責人 Andrew Stevenson 發起成立了新公司 Redwood Materials,用於佈局電池
及其他材料的回收和再製造。
JB Straubel 在先前的演講中透露,特斯拉會在超級電池工廠中盡可能 100% 的回收電池
原材料。這不同於業內將尚未報廢的舊電池應用於儲能系統或是對能源效率要求較低的情
況進行二次利用的做法。Straubel 對此嗤之以鼻:「對電池的二次利用既不具備緊急效
益,也沒有很好的利用價值。」
成立了新公司 Redwood Materials 以佈局電池材料回收與再利用領域後,特斯拉也就完
成了動力電池從製造、銷售,到回收再製造的產業閉環。
最後,對 Musk 和廈門市政府都不信的同學,建議特斯拉電動車、太陽能屋頂和家庭儲能
系統能源牆一起買,一勞永逸的解決污染源問題,也不枉特斯拉在全球的超級充電站親自
上陣示範。
https://goo.gl/OkfE7y
在地大的國家大量設置太陽能是ok的
但如果像台灣這樣的環境呢?
--
All Comments

By Zanna
at 2017-06-16T03:27
at 2017-06-16T03:27

By Freda
at 2017-06-19T06:58
at 2017-06-19T06:58

By Regina
at 2017-06-23T12:47
at 2017-06-23T12:47

By Jessica
at 2017-06-26T12:46
at 2017-06-26T12:46

By Harry
at 2017-06-28T02:57
at 2017-06-28T02:57

By Ursula
at 2017-07-02T04:53
at 2017-07-02T04:53

By Enid
at 2017-07-03T19:39
at 2017-07-03T19:39

By Aaliyah
at 2017-07-05T18:32
at 2017-07-05T18:32

By Enid
at 2017-07-08T14:46
at 2017-07-08T14:46

By Barb Cronin
at 2017-07-13T11:32
at 2017-07-13T11:32

By Doris
at 2017-07-15T23:19
at 2017-07-15T23:19
問題是美國又不是台灣,全年無雪的地區有多少呀?
或是下雨天該怎麼辦?

By Freda
at 2017-07-19T21:16
at 2017-07-19T21:16

By Xanthe
at 2017-07-24T12:19
at 2017-07-24T12:19

By Eartha
at 2017-07-24T14:21
at 2017-07-24T14:21

By Agnes
at 2017-07-29T11:39
at 2017-07-29T11:39

By Emma
at 2017-07-30T14:10
at 2017-07-30T14:10

By Ivy
at 2017-08-02T13:10
at 2017-08-02T13:10
只賣車。

By Bethany
at 2017-08-04T09:18
at 2017-08-04T09:18

By Tom
at 2017-08-08T22:36
at 2017-08-08T22:36

By Dora
at 2017-08-09T08:06
at 2017-08-09T08:06
都是污染別的產業造就別的產業的偉大

By Suhail Hany
at 2017-08-10T23:10
at 2017-08-10T23:10

By Ina
at 2017-08-11T08:22
at 2017-08-11T08:22

By Olivia
at 2017-08-12T15:03
at 2017-08-12T15:03
改善的手段,難道一想到電力目前還是火力為主,就要

By Kristin
at 2017-08-14T04:05
at 2017-08-14T04:05

By Dorothy
at 2017-08-16T20:46
at 2017-08-16T20:46

By Hardy
at 2017-08-19T04:14
at 2017-08-19T04:14
…太陽能板發的電來得及給電動車充電嗎?

By Franklin
at 2017-08-20T02:34
at 2017-08-20T02:34

By Ursula
at 2017-08-20T18:15
at 2017-08-20T18:15

By Brianna
at 2017-08-23T07:09
at 2017-08-23T07:09

By Joseph
at 2017-08-27T02:10
at 2017-08-27T02:10

By Tracy
at 2017-08-30T18:59
at 2017-08-30T18:59

By Jacob
at 2017-09-04T03:48
at 2017-09-04T03:48

By Joseph
at 2017-09-06T00:08
at 2017-09-06T00:08

By Delia
at 2017-09-10T02:35
at 2017-09-10T02:35

By Carolina Franco
at 2017-09-10T21:29
at 2017-09-10T21:29

By Una
at 2017-09-15T19:37
at 2017-09-15T19:37
如你家地上到處都垃圾 和垃圾都集中在垃圾桶 哪個好處
理? 要不要質疑幹嘛要掃地?

By Agnes
at 2017-09-19T10:12
at 2017-09-19T10:12

By Quintina
at 2017-09-24T09:49
at 2017-09-24T09:49

By Regina
at 2017-09-26T11:42
at 2017-09-26T11:42

By Todd Johnson
at 2017-09-28T04:12
at 2017-09-28T04:12
超前很多,記得原先預期是要到2020年才會有33%
http://i.imgur.com/SOL5Hlz.png

By Emma
at 2017-10-01T19:29
at 2017-10-01T19:29

By Charlie
at 2017-10-02T04:31
at 2017-10-02T04:31
別人做不到。

By Steve
at 2017-10-02T07:24
at 2017-10-02T07:24

By Carolina Franco
at 2017-10-05T14:47
at 2017-10-05T14:47

By Mason
at 2017-10-10T04:30
at 2017-10-10T04:30

By Joseph
at 2017-10-10T18:51
at 2017-10-10T18:51

By Irma
at 2017-10-11T07:07
at 2017-10-11T07:07

By Delia
at 2017-10-13T06:43
at 2017-10-13T06:43

By Hedda
at 2017-10-16T04:54
at 2017-10-16T04:54

By Enid
at 2017-10-16T19:18
at 2017-10-16T19:18

By Brianna
at 2017-10-18T12:29
at 2017-10-18T12:29

By Quanna
at 2017-10-23T00:33
at 2017-10-23T00:33

By Jack
at 2017-10-27T05:29
at 2017-10-27T05:29

By Andrew
at 2017-10-29T10:58
at 2017-10-29T10:58

By Oliver
at 2017-11-01T08:49
at 2017-11-01T08:49

By Leila
at 2017-11-04T01:14
at 2017-11-04T01:14
每個鄉村小鎮都看的到有人裝 或是畫地來用

By Lucy
at 2017-11-07T16:18
at 2017-11-07T16:18

By Aaliyah
at 2017-11-11T16:51
at 2017-11-11T16:51

By Zenobia
at 2017-11-15T00:37
at 2017-11-15T00:37

By Faithe
at 2017-11-16T05:39
at 2017-11-16T05:39

By Daph Bay
at 2017-11-16T19:00
at 2017-11-16T19:00

By Faithe
at 2017-11-19T00:10
at 2017-11-19T00:10

By Michael
at 2017-11-20T23:30
at 2017-11-20T23:30
只有二三十的話只能叫做大腸能

By Mary
at 2017-11-22T02:38
at 2017-11-22T02:38
一直酸用愛發電是能有什麼搞頭

By Regina
at 2017-11-23T02:02
at 2017-11-23T02:02

By Caroline
at 2017-11-24T20:38
at 2017-11-24T20:38

By Hedda
at 2017-11-28T15:09
at 2017-11-28T15:09

By Isla
at 2017-12-03T10:07
at 2017-12-03T10:07

By Isabella
at 2017-12-08T04:41
at 2017-12-08T04:41

By Kyle
at 2017-12-11T14:15
at 2017-12-11T14:15
陽能跟電池站的微電網系統,而且已經孤島運轉很久了

By Hedwig
at 2017-12-14T21:36
at 2017-12-14T21:36
孤島跑三天

By Adele
at 2017-12-16T12:06
at 2017-12-16T12:06

By Ursula
at 2017-12-18T07:45
at 2017-12-18T07:45
600平米…可能在一些工廠屋頂還做的到喔~

By Kyle
at 2017-12-22T01:16
at 2017-12-22T01:16

By Zenobia
at 2017-12-26T10:56
at 2017-12-26T10:56
內燃機污染在20永遠不可能降 趨勢往哪個方向很明顯了

By Enid
at 2017-12-27T15:36
at 2017-12-27T15:36

By Bethany
at 2017-12-30T21:28
at 2017-12-30T21:28
場農場 甚至污水根本沒處裡就往海裡排的污水廠 抓一
抓再話燒比較恰當

By Quanna
at 2017-12-31T00:34
at 2017-12-31T00:34

By Ula
at 2017-12-31T11:56
at 2017-12-31T11:56

By Poppy
at 2018-01-02T19:30
at 2018-01-02T19:30

By Elvira
at 2018-01-05T05:17
at 2018-01-05T05:17
知道多少樹林要被砍掉了...

By Jack
at 2018-01-05T18:14
at 2018-01-05T18:14

By Frederic
at 2018-01-07T07:16
at 2018-01-07T07:16

By Olivia
at 2018-01-11T10:52
at 2018-01-11T10:52

By Dinah
at 2018-01-14T20:49
at 2018-01-14T20:49

By Charlie
at 2018-01-15T09:00
at 2018-01-15T09:00

By Selena
at 2018-01-15T13:47
at 2018-01-15T13:47

By Quintina
at 2018-01-17T15:11
at 2018-01-17T15:11

By Daph Bay
at 2018-01-20T09:59
at 2018-01-20T09:59

By Poppy
at 2018-01-24T20:20
at 2018-01-24T20:20
辦法用排碳量去算所以就不會拿出來講了

By Hazel
at 2018-01-27T19:22
at 2018-01-27T19:22

By Kristin
at 2018-02-01T07:04
at 2018-02-01T07:04

By Robert
at 2018-02-02T06:41
at 2018-02-02T06:41

By Mason
at 2018-02-06T01:38
at 2018-02-06T01:38

By Dinah
at 2018-02-09T15:55
at 2018-02-09T15:55
電方法多著 內燃機發展都到頂了

By Selena
at 2018-02-09T20:42
at 2018-02-09T20:42
車,不方便什麼都別提了

By Faithe
at 2018-02-12T15:35
at 2018-02-12T15:35

By Enid
at 2018-02-13T03:57
at 2018-02-13T03:57

By Faithe
at 2018-02-15T05:24
at 2018-02-15T05:24

By Gary
at 2018-02-15T06:44
at 2018-02-15T06:44

By Mary
at 2018-02-15T23:47
at 2018-02-15T23:47

By Delia
at 2018-02-19T04:45
at 2018-02-19T04:45

By Skylar Davis
at 2018-02-24T04:05
at 2018-02-24T04:05

By William
at 2018-02-27T02:06
at 2018-02-27T02:06

By Hedda
at 2018-03-02T06:43
at 2018-03-02T06:43
連那麼基本的前提都還要人提示 先學1+1再嗆人微積分吧

By Anonymous
at 2018-03-06T13:46
at 2018-03-06T13:46

By Rachel
at 2018-03-09T04:56
at 2018-03-09T04:56
當然 天氣有好有壞 就以最佳整天都大太陽來估好了

By Sierra Rose
at 2018-03-13T08:46
at 2018-03-13T08:46

By Erin
at 2018-03-15T05:02
at 2018-03-15T05:02
場大小。
但Musk又沒說他的太陽能板一定會蓋在超充上面啊?

By Bethany
at 2018-03-20T00:50
at 2018-03-20T00:50

By Lauren
at 2018-03-21T22:20
at 2018-03-21T22:20

By Adele
at 2018-03-25T15:41
at 2018-03-25T15:41

By Elma
at 2018-03-30T11:08
at 2018-03-30T11:08

By Connor
at 2018-04-01T13:29
at 2018-04-01T13:29
而且他講的是隨著時間推移要達到這樣的目標

By Belly
at 2018-04-04T03:47
at 2018-04-04T03:47

By Odelette
at 2018-04-06T01:59
at 2018-04-06T01:59

By Una
at 2018-04-09T04:58
at 2018-04-09T04:58

By Agnes
at 2018-04-11T17:12
at 2018-04-11T17:12

By Sarah
at 2018-04-15T04:14
at 2018-04-15T04:14
難道你是基於這種認知而搞混的嗎 =口=a?

By Delia
at 2018-04-16T10:42
at 2018-04-16T10:42

By Victoria
at 2018-04-20T17:10
at 2018-04-20T17:10

By Rachel
at 2018-04-25T00:03
at 2018-04-25T00:03

By Ivy
at 2018-04-26T17:37
at 2018-04-26T17:37

By Steve
at 2018-04-28T03:52
at 2018-04-28T03:52

By Jacky
at 2018-04-28T18:45
at 2018-04-28T18:45

By Susan
at 2018-05-01T06:57
at 2018-05-01T06:57

By Donna
at 2018-05-01T14:46
at 2018-05-01T14:46

By Audriana
at 2018-05-02T14:08
at 2018-05-02T14:08

By Lucy
at 2018-05-05T20:17
at 2018-05-05T20:17

By Olivia
at 2018-05-07T06:48
at 2018-05-07T06:48

By Oliver
at 2018-05-11T19:36
at 2018-05-11T19:36

By Selena
at 2018-05-12T23:55
at 2018-05-12T23:55

By James
at 2018-05-15T22:24
at 2018-05-15T22:24

By Emma
at 2018-05-18T03:25
at 2018-05-18T03:25
另外,台灣用的太陽能又不是Tesla賣的。

By Mason
at 2018-05-22T21:58
at 2018-05-22T21:58

By Faithe
at 2018-05-25T21:08
at 2018-05-25T21:08

By Suhail Hany
at 2018-05-28T15:57
at 2018-05-28T15:57
的太陽電池 跟市面上目前主流矽晶太陽電池不一樣

By Charlotte
at 2018-06-01T11:09
at 2018-06-01T11:09

By Rae
at 2018-06-03T23:56
at 2018-06-03T23:56
是成本。

By Damian
at 2018-06-08T08:21
at 2018-06-08T08:21

By Susan
at 2018-06-10T12:21
at 2018-06-10T12:21

By Lydia
at 2018-06-14T22:52
at 2018-06-14T22:52

By Carol
at 2018-06-18T19:49
at 2018-06-18T19:49

By Mary
at 2018-06-20T03:19
at 2018-06-20T03:19

By Skylar Davis
at 2018-06-21T11:44
at 2018-06-21T11:44

By Enid
at 2018-06-26T08:34
at 2018-06-26T08:34
可以在談下去的了。

By Anthony
at 2018-06-29T20:52
at 2018-06-29T20:52

By Hedda
at 2018-07-03T01:45
at 2018-07-03T01:45

By Agatha
at 2018-07-06T13:51
at 2018-07-06T13:51

By Noah
at 2018-07-09T22:53
at 2018-07-09T22:53

By Andy
at 2018-07-11T20:52
at 2018-07-11T20:52

By Gilbert
at 2018-07-14T18:06
at 2018-07-14T18:06

By Emma
at 2018-07-15T20:00
at 2018-07-15T20:00
不使用電網~離峰時段充飽充電站的電池~這樣就等於
不製造額外的汙染了!反正離峰多餘的電多數只會浪費

By Yuri
at 2018-07-19T00:12
at 2018-07-19T00:12
但還是不無小補啦

By Odelette
at 2018-07-23T22:34
at 2018-07-23T22:34
發電效率可達8 90% 無論如何都比汽油車環保

By Ethan
at 2018-07-28T11:46
at 2018-07-28T11:46

By Delia
at 2018-07-30T14:59
at 2018-07-30T14:59

By Callum
at 2018-08-02T13:16
at 2018-08-02T13:16

By Skylar DavisLinda
at 2018-08-06T05:55
at 2018-08-06T05:55
就算170瓦好了

By Caitlin
at 2018-08-06T20:36
at 2018-08-06T20:36

By Eden
at 2018-08-09T16:30
at 2018-08-09T16:30

By Lucy
at 2018-08-13T17:58
at 2018-08-13T17:58

By Gary
at 2018-08-13T20:06
at 2018-08-13T20:06

By Brianna
at 2018-08-13T22:04
at 2018-08-13T22:04

By Ida
at 2018-08-15T10:24
at 2018-08-15T10:24

By Genevieve
at 2018-08-18T17:42
at 2018-08-18T17:42
還不見得夠力推阿宅的顯示卡

By Zenobia
at 2018-08-23T02:18
at 2018-08-23T02:18

By Madame
at 2018-08-24T03:30
at 2018-08-24T03:30

By Connor
at 2018-08-24T15:40
at 2018-08-24T15:40

By Ingrid
at 2018-08-25T15:20
at 2018-08-25T15:20

By Charlotte
at 2018-08-26T00:13
at 2018-08-26T00:13
科科

By Charlie
at 2018-08-28T13:44
at 2018-08-28T13:44

By Elma
at 2018-09-01T19:26
at 2018-09-01T19:26

By Frederica
at 2018-09-06T14:57
at 2018-09-06T14:57

By Rachel
at 2018-09-10T17:54
at 2018-09-10T17:54

By Blanche
at 2018-09-15T08:03
at 2018-09-15T08:03

By Tristan Cohan
at 2018-09-18T17:42
at 2018-09-18T17:42

By Harry
at 2018-09-22T23:02
at 2018-09-22T23:02

By Isla
at 2018-09-25T23:56
at 2018-09-25T23:56

By Lily
at 2018-09-29T14:06
at 2018-09-29T14:06

By Yedda
at 2018-09-30T23:14
at 2018-09-30T23:14

By Ursula
at 2018-10-05T15:41
at 2018-10-05T15:41

By Rae
at 2018-10-09T16:25
at 2018-10-09T16:25

By Hedda
at 2018-10-14T05:56
at 2018-10-14T05:56

By Kristin
at 2018-10-14T17:33
at 2018-10-14T17:33

By Tom
at 2018-10-15T19:50
at 2018-10-15T19:50

By Ula
at 2018-10-19T03:16
at 2018-10-19T03:16

By Victoria
at 2018-10-22T20:31
at 2018-10-22T20:31

By Freda
at 2018-10-24T15:57
at 2018-10-24T15:57

By Necoo
at 2018-10-28T23:26
at 2018-10-28T23:26

By Kyle
at 2018-10-30T07:40
at 2018-10-30T07:40
是在XD什麼的?

By Liam
at 2018-10-31T11:47
at 2018-10-31T11:47

By Heather
at 2018-10-31T16:44
at 2018-10-31T16:44
地面,水面型都有,IRR都還可以啦

By Eden
at 2018-11-05T02:45
at 2018-11-05T02:45

By William
at 2018-11-07T15:32
at 2018-11-07T15:32

By Susan
at 2018-11-12T11:42
at 2018-11-12T11:42

By Victoria
at 2018-11-14T17:26
at 2018-11-14T17:26

By Thomas
at 2018-11-18T19:51
at 2018-11-18T19:51

By Carolina Franco
at 2018-11-21T13:14
at 2018-11-21T13:14

By Rosalind
at 2018-11-26T08:00
at 2018-11-26T08:00

By Skylar Davis
at 2018-11-29T00:36
at 2018-11-29T00:36

By Agnes
at 2018-12-03T09:01
at 2018-12-03T09:01

By Mason
at 2018-12-04T09:01
at 2018-12-04T09:01

By Quanna
at 2018-12-05T13:52
at 2018-12-05T13:52

By Jessica
at 2018-12-10T11:17
at 2018-12-10T11:17

By Edith
at 2018-12-10T21:59
at 2018-12-10T21:59

By James
at 2018-12-15T18:30
at 2018-12-15T18:30

By Isabella
at 2018-12-16T17:58
at 2018-12-16T17:58

By James
at 2018-12-20T02:29
at 2018-12-20T02:29

By Dinah
at 2018-12-23T18:53
at 2018-12-23T18:53

By Edith
at 2018-12-26T10:12
at 2018-12-26T10:12

By Jessica
at 2018-12-29T14:16
at 2018-12-29T14:16
加州再生能源都占33%發電量了,還在做不到

By Mia
at 2019-01-02T16:17
at 2019-01-02T16:17

By Agatha
at 2019-01-03T02:29
at 2019-01-03T02:29

By Candice
at 2019-01-06T22:38
at 2019-01-06T22:38

By Dora
at 2019-01-08T08:05
at 2019-01-08T08:05
光灰塵這一點 你的模組效率 不要說15% 有12%就偷笑了

By Daniel
at 2019-01-08T14:10
at 2019-01-08T14:10

By Emily
at 2019-01-11T20:42
at 2019-01-11T20:42

By Doris
at 2019-01-12T01:21
at 2019-01-12T01:21

By Jacob
at 2019-01-13T11:01
at 2019-01-13T11:01

By Suhail Hany
at 2019-01-16T04:25
at 2019-01-16T04:25

By Charlotte
at 2019-01-16T11:55
at 2019-01-16T11:55
總之 這麼喜歡 覺得好用 花點錢去裝看看吧

By Michael
at 2019-01-17T11:53
at 2019-01-17T11:53

By Faithe
at 2019-01-17T21:59
at 2019-01-17T21:59

By Catherine
at 2019-01-21T19:35
at 2019-01-21T19:35

By Ula
at 2019-01-22T20:38
at 2019-01-22T20:38
一時看錯了而已 另外 我真的覺得 你這麼捧tesla跟愛

By Olga
at 2019-01-26T18:00
at 2019-01-26T18:00

By Annie
at 2019-01-30T22:41
at 2019-01-30T22:41
幣之譜

By Skylar DavisLinda
at 2019-02-04T13:00
at 2019-02-04T13:00

By Kyle
at 2019-02-05T15:27
at 2019-02-05T15:27

By Yuri
at 2019-02-08T19:31
at 2019-02-08T19:31
錯誤都沒有就這樣船過水無痕過去了。

By Tom
at 2019-02-12T13:51
at 2019-02-12T13:51

By Tracy
at 2019-02-14T08:26
at 2019-02-14T08:26
資料,這也要我貼給你?

By Rebecca
at 2019-02-16T02:35
at 2019-02-16T02:35

By Tracy
at 2019-02-16T13:10
at 2019-02-16T13:10
的回答。

By Rosalind
at 2019-02-17T16:05
at 2019-02-17T16:05

By Queena
at 2019-02-21T18:59
at 2019-02-21T18:59

By Charlotte
at 2019-02-24T11:00
at 2019-02-24T11:00

By Iris
at 2019-03-01T01:07
at 2019-03-01T01:07

By Rebecca
at 2019-03-05T10:32
at 2019-03-05T10:32

By Carolina Franco
at 2019-03-07T21:00
at 2019-03-07T21:00
文章或新聞內容要看清楚 不然 意思會差很多的

By Hamiltion
at 2019-03-12T18:22
at 2019-03-12T18:22

By Olivia
at 2019-03-16T05:29
at 2019-03-16T05:29

By Elvira
at 2019-03-18T14:26
at 2019-03-18T14:26

By Zora
at 2019-03-18T18:13
at 2019-03-18T18:13

By Emily
at 2019-03-19T08:39
at 2019-03-19T08:39

By Hamiltion
at 2019-03-19T10:42
at 2019-03-19T10:42

By Frederica
at 2019-03-21T15:47
at 2019-03-21T15:47

By George
at 2019-03-22T20:07
at 2019-03-22T20:07

By Ina
at 2019-03-27T04:41
at 2019-03-27T04:41
技術好不一定保證獲利
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