Ford腦袋裝什麼 - 汽車
By Delia
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沒啥 因為台灣人做什麼東西只要覺得失敗就是糞
汽車這種你要拚進步拚科技應用的其實自爆在歷史上其實不罕見
我是覺得啦,人家在十年前敢把DCT做這種嘗試下放到平價車款就是想要進步啊
VW也是嘗試想要在平價車的動力系統上做出新格局,不然以前DCT都只用在性能車款和高階
豪華車款上(老實說十年前的DCT就算是BMW也是QQ,PDK不知道有沒有好一點)
然後我先說,我覺得乾式DCT根本就是失敗作品,從PS到DSG都是很爛的東西
可是我也必須說,這些車廠之所以強大,因為他們不僅僅思考怎麼Cost reduction,而是
思考從設計上做根本的改變,平價車款講求的就是成本壓低這點沒問題,可是要如何讓車
款更有創新的競爭力,同時成本保持在跟上一代車同個水準是很難的課題。
台灣企業為什麼爛? 因為台灣企業的Cost Reduction很簡單阿,就是偷料壓薪水,而不是
想辦法去設計新的東西來壓低成本,也不去設計新的東西增加競爭力。
所以台灣人也不用太難過永遠用不到最前線的產品啦,民族性就是這樣,也造就了現在沒
人敢提出任何大型產業計畫來帶動經濟,只敢養一堆像炎董這種每年大口吸血可是又不會
大到讓人感覺到性命危及。基本上台灣人只要投資失敗,不管三七二十一一定就是公司內
部有內鬼、政府管控不當,殊不知全世界其實投資新創或新產品的其實失敗是多數。
回到乾式PS或DSG,真的就是糞沒錯,可是我只會說那個產品糞,對於公司來說我反而佩服
他們敢用大膽的嘗試,而不是在十年前繼續出4AT這種東西穩穩慢慢賣。我不知道版上大多
數歲數是多少,或是對於不同產業有多少不同的認識,我以前在原廠藥廠,十幾條pipeli-
ne最後能走到Phase 3的大概只有30%,真正能上市的大概只有10%-20%,每一條每年燒幾千
萬到幾億美金不等,越後面燒越多,對我來說研發就是這樣,大多數其實都是砸到水裡面
,在失敗中學習和成長,而台灣人不能接受失敗,自然就沒有成長。
最後,其實DCT應該未來不會有太多發展了,主要原因並不是AT和CVT的強大,反而是因為
電動車的崛起,所以不管是DCT/AT/CVT目前看起來各大廠都在縮限開發投資,也甚至有可
能這一代的變速箱都是最後一代了,電動車會從性能車款開始取代,而新款變速箱通常也
是由高端車款或性能車款開始搭載,所以你知道的...
※ 引述《asdzxc617 (西斯板常威)》之銘言:
: PS 自手排變速箱
: 結構複雜
: 造價較高
: SS 自排變速箱
: 結構簡單
: 也比較便宜
: 為什麼要這麼堅持的使用PS變速箱
: 也沒有比較省油
: Ford腦袋到底裝什麼呢?
--
汽車這種你要拚進步拚科技應用的其實自爆在歷史上其實不罕見
我是覺得啦,人家在十年前敢把DCT做這種嘗試下放到平價車款就是想要進步啊
VW也是嘗試想要在平價車的動力系統上做出新格局,不然以前DCT都只用在性能車款和高階
豪華車款上(老實說十年前的DCT就算是BMW也是QQ,PDK不知道有沒有好一點)
然後我先說,我覺得乾式DCT根本就是失敗作品,從PS到DSG都是很爛的東西
可是我也必須說,這些車廠之所以強大,因為他們不僅僅思考怎麼Cost reduction,而是
思考從設計上做根本的改變,平價車款講求的就是成本壓低這點沒問題,可是要如何讓車
款更有創新的競爭力,同時成本保持在跟上一代車同個水準是很難的課題。
台灣企業為什麼爛? 因為台灣企業的Cost Reduction很簡單阿,就是偷料壓薪水,而不是
想辦法去設計新的東西來壓低成本,也不去設計新的東西增加競爭力。
所以台灣人也不用太難過永遠用不到最前線的產品啦,民族性就是這樣,也造就了現在沒
人敢提出任何大型產業計畫來帶動經濟,只敢養一堆像炎董這種每年大口吸血可是又不會
大到讓人感覺到性命危及。基本上台灣人只要投資失敗,不管三七二十一一定就是公司內
部有內鬼、政府管控不當,殊不知全世界其實投資新創或新產品的其實失敗是多數。
回到乾式PS或DSG,真的就是糞沒錯,可是我只會說那個產品糞,對於公司來說我反而佩服
他們敢用大膽的嘗試,而不是在十年前繼續出4AT這種東西穩穩慢慢賣。我不知道版上大多
數歲數是多少,或是對於不同產業有多少不同的認識,我以前在原廠藥廠,十幾條pipeli-
ne最後能走到Phase 3的大概只有30%,真正能上市的大概只有10%-20%,每一條每年燒幾千
萬到幾億美金不等,越後面燒越多,對我來說研發就是這樣,大多數其實都是砸到水裡面
,在失敗中學習和成長,而台灣人不能接受失敗,自然就沒有成長。
最後,其實DCT應該未來不會有太多發展了,主要原因並不是AT和CVT的強大,反而是因為
電動車的崛起,所以不管是DCT/AT/CVT目前看起來各大廠都在縮限開發投資,也甚至有可
能這一代的變速箱都是最後一代了,電動車會從性能車款開始取代,而新款變速箱通常也
是由高端車款或性能車款開始搭載,所以你知道的...
※ 引述《asdzxc617 (西斯板常威)》之銘言:
: PS 自手排變速箱
: 結構複雜
: 造價較高
: SS 自排變速箱
: 結構簡單
: 也比較便宜
: 為什麼要這麼堅持的使用PS變速箱
: 也沒有比較省油
: Ford腦袋到底裝什麼呢?
--
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