【情侶雙亡】馬自達男坦承趕時間時速80 - 汽車
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鍵盤分析
在討論超速跟肇責的相關性時,會把駕駛人的反應時間考慮進去。這是一般行車事故鑑定
常會使用的方法。
譬如此案,從影片截圖來看
https://i.imgur.com/iUqJsXx.jpg
從行車紀錄器的角度,發現機車開始內切時,兩車相距從地上的白線來看,大約在20-30
米之間,白虛線四米,間隔六米,一個完整的白線+間隔是10米。
該處速限60kph=16.6m/s, 人類駕駛的反應時間在鑑定裡會用1.6秒(一般數據是0.4-1.5
),換句話說,即使馬自達駕駛開在速限內,光是反應時間,車子就會往前走26米。再加
上煞停距離。這個事故基本可以推論發生事故跟超速沒有因果關係。
白話一點的說,這個事故不能說:不要超速就沒事了。
因為即使不超速,也無法避免這起事故,唯一能避免這起事故的,是機車不要大外割轉彎。
有一些邏輯謬論會說,如果馬自達開在速限內,那機車左轉時,兩車的車距就會長到足夠
閃避或煞停。這種邏輯就別講出來了,因為照這個邏輯的話,馬自達如果再開快一點,那
就可以在機車左轉前通過路口了。
也許可以考慮的是,如果馬自達不超速,那傷亡會不會減輕一些?但這種假設沒有辦法驗
證,所以在實務的交通事故裡,幾乎不會被拿出來討論,除非超速方是很嚴重的超速(嚴
重到公共危險罪這種)
總之,我的看法是馬自達無責,超速與事故無因果關係,未注意車前狀況不成立(猝不及
防)。
以上鍵盤。
※ 引述《cjol (勤樸)》之銘言:
: ※ [本文轉錄自 cjol 信箱]
: 作者: wenge321 (wen) 看板: Gossiping
: 標題: [新聞] 【情侶雙亡】馬自達男坦承趕時間時速80
: 時間: Mon Dec 21 19:54:46 2020
: 【情侶雙亡】馬自達男坦承趕時間時速80公里 「看到機車已來不及煞車」
: https://tinyurl.com/y7p5bqht
: 蘋果新聞
: 虎尾科大籃球校隊陳姓男子昨與蔡姓女友回高雄幫阿嬤慶生,沒想到卻發生死亡車禍,陳
: 男昨晚騎車載女友在高雄市前鎮區凱旋四路、瑞田街口時,與一台馬自達轎車發生擦撞,
: 兩人送醫不治。高雄地檢署今相驗並勘驗肇事汽車的行車記錄器,林姓駕駛自承當時趕時
: 間,車速約80公里,看到機車突然要左轉,已來不及煞車,訊後被依過失致死罪交保10萬
: 元。
: 今天上午檢方在國軍高雄總醫院相驗後,也對肇事的林男進行訊問並諭知交保,林男(33
: 歲)下午在交通警察大隊前鎮分隊戒護下移送高雄地檢署,記者問他是否超速、機車騎士
: 是否未兩段式左轉等問題時不發一語。
: 據了解,林男向檢警表示,他只是一般上班族,昨晚開車行經速限60公里的凱旋路段,因
: 為趕時間,所以車速很快,時速約有80公里,當晚6時32分左右,騎在他右邊慢車道的陳
: 姓男子(23歲)到瑞田街口時,想要直接左轉,在快慢車道交界處有停下來,看一下後方
: 來車,但他看到陳男時,已經閃避不及,直接撞上。
: 當時陳男與蔡姓女友(21歲)分別被送往我國軍高雄總醫院和阮綜合醫院,但陸續宣告不
: 治。而現場馬自達轎車右車頭嚴重凹陷,機車倒地,車輛零件散落一地,可見撞擊力道之
: 大。
: 律師林宗穎表示,一般而言車禍肇事責任都會依市府交通局車輛行車事故鑑定委員會的鑑
: 定報告認定,此案陳姓男子行經路口未按規定兩段式左轉、林男超速無法及時注意車前狀
: 況而煞車,兩方應都會被認定有肇事責任,但比例為何仍應依鑑定報告認定。(郭芷余/
: 高雄報導)
: 心得:趕著去開會也不用這個樣子
: 何況也不一定有開會的資格
: 時速太快,但對方也沒有兩段式左轉...
--
在討論超速跟肇責的相關性時,會把駕駛人的反應時間考慮進去。這是一般行車事故鑑定
常會使用的方法。
譬如此案,從影片截圖來看
https://i.imgur.com/iUqJsXx.jpg
從行車紀錄器的角度,發現機車開始內切時,兩車相距從地上的白線來看,大約在20-30
米之間,白虛線四米,間隔六米,一個完整的白線+間隔是10米。
該處速限60kph=16.6m/s, 人類駕駛的反應時間在鑑定裡會用1.6秒(一般數據是0.4-1.5
),換句話說,即使馬自達駕駛開在速限內,光是反應時間,車子就會往前走26米。再加
上煞停距離。這個事故基本可以推論發生事故跟超速沒有因果關係。
白話一點的說,這個事故不能說:不要超速就沒事了。
因為即使不超速,也無法避免這起事故,唯一能避免這起事故的,是機車不要大外割轉彎。
有一些邏輯謬論會說,如果馬自達開在速限內,那機車左轉時,兩車的車距就會長到足夠
閃避或煞停。這種邏輯就別講出來了,因為照這個邏輯的話,馬自達如果再開快一點,那
就可以在機車左轉前通過路口了。
也許可以考慮的是,如果馬自達不超速,那傷亡會不會減輕一些?但這種假設沒有辦法驗
證,所以在實務的交通事故裡,幾乎不會被拿出來討論,除非超速方是很嚴重的超速(嚴
重到公共危險罪這種)
總之,我的看法是馬自達無責,超速與事故無因果關係,未注意車前狀況不成立(猝不及
防)。
以上鍵盤。
※ 引述《cjol (勤樸)》之銘言:
: ※ [本文轉錄自 cjol 信箱]
: 作者: wenge321 (wen) 看板: Gossiping
: 標題: [新聞] 【情侶雙亡】馬自達男坦承趕時間時速80
: 時間: Mon Dec 21 19:54:46 2020
: 【情侶雙亡】馬自達男坦承趕時間時速80公里 「看到機車已來不及煞車」
: https://tinyurl.com/y7p5bqht
: 蘋果新聞
: 虎尾科大籃球校隊陳姓男子昨與蔡姓女友回高雄幫阿嬤慶生,沒想到卻發生死亡車禍,陳
: 男昨晚騎車載女友在高雄市前鎮區凱旋四路、瑞田街口時,與一台馬自達轎車發生擦撞,
: 兩人送醫不治。高雄地檢署今相驗並勘驗肇事汽車的行車記錄器,林姓駕駛自承當時趕時
: 間,車速約80公里,看到機車突然要左轉,已來不及煞車,訊後被依過失致死罪交保10萬
: 元。
: 今天上午檢方在國軍高雄總醫院相驗後,也對肇事的林男進行訊問並諭知交保,林男(33
: 歲)下午在交通警察大隊前鎮分隊戒護下移送高雄地檢署,記者問他是否超速、機車騎士
: 是否未兩段式左轉等問題時不發一語。
: 據了解,林男向檢警表示,他只是一般上班族,昨晚開車行經速限60公里的凱旋路段,因
: 為趕時間,所以車速很快,時速約有80公里,當晚6時32分左右,騎在他右邊慢車道的陳
: 姓男子(23歲)到瑞田街口時,想要直接左轉,在快慢車道交界處有停下來,看一下後方
: 來車,但他看到陳男時,已經閃避不及,直接撞上。
: 當時陳男與蔡姓女友(21歲)分別被送往我國軍高雄總醫院和阮綜合醫院,但陸續宣告不
: 治。而現場馬自達轎車右車頭嚴重凹陷,機車倒地,車輛零件散落一地,可見撞擊力道之
: 大。
: 律師林宗穎表示,一般而言車禍肇事責任都會依市府交通局車輛行車事故鑑定委員會的鑑
: 定報告認定,此案陳姓男子行經路口未按規定兩段式左轉、林男超速無法及時注意車前狀
: 況而煞車,兩方應都會被認定有肇事責任,但比例為何仍應依鑑定報告認定。(郭芷余/
: 高雄報導)
: 心得:趕著去開會也不用這個樣子
: 何況也不一定有開會的資格
: 時速太快,但對方也沒有兩段式左轉...
--
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