中國深圳有位特斯拉車主上網討拍 - 特斯拉

By Olive
at 2020-07-07T15:17
at 2020-07-07T15:17
Table of Contents
※ 引述《chandler0227 (錢德勒)》之銘言:
: ※ 引述《DYE (跟腦殘爭最後都會變腦殘.)》之銘言:
: : 先上行車記錄器圖
: : https://tinyurl.com/y8udsb8u
: : 這是台美製Model3 並且加購FSD
: : 車主稱 當時開著AP 遇砂石車硬插
: : 車子卻加速撞上去造成損傷
: : 事後 車主要求特斯拉解釋
: : 為何沒識別砂石車並加速撞上去
: : 特斯拉表示該車FSD硬體並無故障
: : 數據也無異常
: : 交涉無果 上網討拍
: : 我猜
: : 大概是特斯拉看比亞迪電動砂石車不爽
: : 敢插線,才撞上去
: : 不過要撞贏很難
: : https://i.imgur.com/rhAcHDM.jpg
: 這類無法有效辨識撞上貨車的案例發生過不少起
: 例如上個月在台灣,國道上特斯拉直接撞上橫躺的小貨車
: 看一下2018年發生在美國,Tesla追撞靜止消防車的案例
: NTSB調查結果
: https://dms.ntsb.gov/pubdms/search/hitlist.cfm?docketID=62683&CFID
: https://i.imgur.com/GBSajUf.jpg
: https://i.imgur.com/TtZnrcp.jpg
: 事故原因為駕駛疏忽,Tesla在最後的3分多鐘並沒有偵測/提醒駕駛握方向盤
: 而在碰撞前3~4秒前方車輛換道後
: Tesla並未感測到前方靜止的消防車,反倒加速
: 直到碰撞前0.49秒Tesla才開始警示,此外AEB系統也沒有作動
: https://i.imgur.com/7952UcL.jpg
: AEB需要radar和camera同時觸發
: 另外在NTSB調查報告出來後,Brad Templeton撰寫的一篇文章
: NTSB Report On Tesla Autopilot Accident Shows What's Inside
: And It's Not Pretty For FSD
: https://reurl.cc/xZV2Rb
: https://i.imgur.com/IdokNlr.jpg
: 硬體(感測器)的應用與限制
: Radar:
: 1. 道路環境有柵欄、標示牌等靜止物,雷達不能因為辨識到這些靜止物就選擇煞車
: 2. 因反射面角度問題,反射的訊號會變弱
: (另外像遇到大型貨車側面的case,雷達打的角度沒那麼高可能也偵測不到)
: Camera:
: 1. 當目標傾斜一個角度時,可能辨識不出來
: 2. 立體攝影機可以解決辨識問題,但Tesla未採用
: 總之,類似事故是駕駛人疏忽,車輛也未即時發出警訊要駕駛人專注
: 加上車上現有硬體(感測器)的感測能力限制導致的情況
: 但對比Tesla官網或Musk說法.....不覺得哪邊怪怪的嗎?
: Tesla官網提到"目前車上現有的硬體配備可滿足未來全自駕"
: https://i.imgur.com/7Ci6wSb.jpg
: Musk的推特內容
: https://i.imgur.com/7c6b2hj.jpg
: --
: ※ 引述《DYE (跟腦殘爭最後都會變腦殘.)》之銘言:
: : 先上行車記錄器圖
: : https://tinyurl.com/y8udsb8u
: : 這是台美製Model3 並且加購FSD
: : 車主稱 當時開著AP 遇砂石車硬插
: : 車子卻加速撞上去造成損傷
: : 事後 車主要求特斯拉解釋
: : 為何沒識別砂石車並加速撞上去
: : 特斯拉表示該車FSD硬體並無故障
: : 數據也無異常
: : 交涉無果 上網討拍
: : 我猜
: : 大概是特斯拉看比亞迪電動砂石車不爽
: : 敢插線,才撞上去
: : 不過要撞贏很難
: : https://i.imgur.com/rhAcHDM.jpg
: 這類無法有效辨識撞上貨車的案例發生過不少起
: 例如上個月在台灣,國道上特斯拉直接撞上橫躺的小貨車
: 看一下2018年發生在美國,Tesla追撞靜止消防車的案例
: NTSB調查結果
: https://dms.ntsb.gov/pubdms/search/hitlist.cfm?docketID=62683&CFID
: https://i.imgur.com/GBSajUf.jpg
: https://i.imgur.com/TtZnrcp.jpg
: 事故原因為駕駛疏忽,Tesla在最後的3分多鐘並沒有偵測/提醒駕駛握方向盤
: 而在碰撞前3~4秒前方車輛換道後
: Tesla並未感測到前方靜止的消防車,反倒加速
: 直到碰撞前0.49秒Tesla才開始警示,此外AEB系統也沒有作動
: https://i.imgur.com/7952UcL.jpg
: AEB需要radar和camera同時觸發
: 另外在NTSB調查報告出來後,Brad Templeton撰寫的一篇文章
: NTSB Report On Tesla Autopilot Accident Shows What's Inside
: And It's Not Pretty For FSD
: https://reurl.cc/xZV2Rb
: https://i.imgur.com/IdokNlr.jpg
: 硬體(感測器)的應用與限制
: Radar:
: 1. 道路環境有柵欄、標示牌等靜止物,雷達不能因為辨識到這些靜止物就選擇煞車
: 2. 因反射面角度問題,反射的訊號會變弱
: (另外像遇到大型貨車側面的case,雷達打的角度沒那麼高可能也偵測不到)
: Camera:
: 1. 當目標傾斜一個角度時,可能辨識不出來
: 2. 立體攝影機可以解決辨識問題,但Tesla未採用
: 總之,類似事故是駕駛人疏忽,車輛也未即時發出警訊要駕駛人專注
: 加上車上現有硬體(感測器)的感測能力限制導致的情況
: 但對比Tesla官網或Musk說法.....不覺得哪邊怪怪的嗎?
: Tesla官網提到"目前車上現有的硬體配備可滿足未來全自駕"
: https://i.imgur.com/7Ci6wSb.jpg
: Musk的推特內容
: https://i.imgur.com/7c6b2hj.jpg
: --
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