以後不買特斯拉也能用特斯拉FSD自駕! - 特斯拉
By Madame
at 2021-02-02T08:59
at 2021-02-02T08:59
Table of Contents
推 hanchueh : 特斯拉如果願意去區分什麼條件下可以真的負責02/01 18:33
→ hanchueh : 然後設計安全的警告跟交接方式 的確可以做出lv302/01 18:34
→ hanchueh : 但特斯拉認為這種半吊子的自駕沒有意義02/01 18:34
→ hanchueh : 不如直接做lv5的lv2測試版 還比較實用02/01 18:34
推 hanchueh : 換句話說 特斯拉沒有在鳥SAE定義 而是用自己的方式02/01 18:37
→ hanchueh : 來開發 以實際功能作為里程碑 而不是lv1-502/01 18:38
輔助駕駛(ADAS)跨到自駕(Autonoumous driving)的差異
https://i.imgur.com/7czrloG.jpg
Lv3的難處在於從車輛自駕到駕駛接管中間的一系列措施
Honda的Lv3自駕有限定條件使用
但好歹在限定條件下,Honda車廠願意承擔責任(允許駕駛eyes off)
反觀Tesla就算開放再多功能,只要Tesla不願意擔責
需要駕駛隨時注意路況的系統,那就叫做"輔助駕駛",不可能是"自駕"
要講半吊子,Tesla目前的FSD比較像吧(輔助駕駛卻硬要稱為自駕)
https://i.imgur.com/7C8zesE.jpg
it considers to be an expansion of driver assistance software
視為駕駛輔助軟體的延伸
requires human supervision
需要人類(駕駛)監督
no vehicle available for purchase today is capable of driving itself
目前沒有一台可購買的車擁有自駕能力
推 hanchueh : 油車能不能自駕 跟 油車會不會真的出自駕給大眾用02/01 19:56
→ hanchueh : 其實是兩個議題02/01 19:56
→ hanchueh : 技術上 油車當然可以自駕 砸夠多錢 缺什麼裝什麼02/01 19:56
→ hanchueh : 當然可以達成02/01 19:56
推 hanchueh : 實際經濟上 大概會像錢大找的計畫 先用在定點運輸02/01 19:58
→ hanchueh : 比如公車 大貨車 大卡車 快遞包裹車上02/01 19:59
推 hanchueh : 想普及到小客車還是要有足夠電源維持運算跟感應器02/01 20:01
→ hanchueh : 因此純油車不會是首選 應該是純電跟油電跟輕油電02/01 20:02
普及到乘用車的關鍵是自駕需求(感測器、處理器等)的價格
技術不是問題,有沒有商業化價值才是
所以現在反而在主推商用車自駕
因為商用車造價成本本來就高,使用率高,相較下自駕成本沒佔那麼大的比重
至於供電.....一直都不是主要問題
推 hanchueh : SAE定義只有人與車的互動 車子實際能做什麼02/01 22:53
→ hanchueh : 除了lv5是什麼都能做以外 根本沒什麼定義02/01 22:54
→ hanchueh : 所以根本不適合拿來作為開發的標準02/01 22:54
→ hanchueh : 不止特斯拉 很多其他廠也選擇跳過開發lv302/01 22:55
→ hanchueh : 就是因為這定義等級根本不適合開發02/01 22:55
聽你在鬼扯
https://reurl.cc/0zYz76
https://i.imgur.com/xjmIsrj.jpg
Skipping Level 3 would make it easier to determine if the driver is
controlling the vehicle or if the vehicle is self-driving
跳過Lv3是為了更好界定控制車輛的是駕駛還是車輛(責任歸屬)
The technology complexity required to get from Level 3 to Level 4 is much
greater.
Lv4技術複雜性高出許多
推 hanchueh : Waymo, Volvo, Tesla 都選擇跳過lv302/01 23:38
→ hanchueh : Waymo甚至主張所有車廠都該跳過lv302/01 23:38
→ hanchueh : 我說的不鳥SAE意思是特斯拉沒有把1234502/01 23:39
→ hanchueh : 當作該開發的等級去做 而是用實際車子能處理的狀況02/01 23:40
→ hanchueh : 當作開發的里程碑 然後逐步開放02/01 23:40
→ hanchueh : Audi不開放那就是跟跳過一樣了啊02/01 23:40
推 hanchueh : 沒上市就是跳過了啊 就像概念車不算市售車02/01 23:57
→ hanchueh : 除非以後也不打算開發更高級的 那就不是跳過02/01 23:57
→ hanchueh : 是直接徹底放棄02/01 23:57
推 hanchueh : 又或者是以後還有打算開放一樣的 那就叫做延後02/02 00:00
Ford rethinks Level 3 autonomy
https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/ford-rethinks-level-3-autonomy
New Level 3 Autonomous Vehicles Hitting the Road in 2020
https://reurl.cc/kV1LL3
https://i.imgur.com/g6qwTye.jpg
預計2021年Lv3自駕上市的有Hyundai, KIA, Mercedes-Benz, BMW耶
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