為何渦輪要搭CVT? - Toyota

By Enid
at 2018-06-23T12:02
at 2018-06-23T12:02
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CVT的最大有兩個,一是瞬間大轉矩輸入會造成鋼帶/皮帶打滑
一是變速反應遲鈍
後者在現今的CVT上已經有非常大的改善了
而前者主要影響的是起步大油門時,ECU會限制引擎輸出避免CVT打滑
不過前陣子TOYOTA推出的新式CVT變速箱,很巧妙的解決了起步無法大油門的問題
同時也進一步強化了變速的反應性。
有興趣可以花時間看看
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HanImTejIVM
回來說到原PO提的兩個部份
1. CVT轉速比較高
實際上轉速跟時速的搭配是電腦根據需求來決定的
當駕駛需要急加速時,不管是什麼變速箱,對應的動作都是降低檔位,拉高轉速
讓引擎轉速進入高馬力輸出區間。巡航時則增加檔位降低轉速維持經濟性
所以急加速時的轉速,是車廠設定好的,跟CVT沒有太大關係
而CVT的最大優勢,是有無限多檔位,可以讓引擎轉速固定在最大馬力下加速
實際上這個狀態下,CVT的加速性能是非常優秀的
一來CVT可以讓引擎維持在最大輸出點
不管是DCT還是AT,檔位切換時引擎轉速都會離開最大馬力點
二來是CVT變速時不需要切斷動力輸出
即使是號稱換檔夭壽快的DCT,也會有短暫的動力切離讓檔位切換
所以實際上,CVT的加速性能是又快又平順
一般人會覺得CVT加速無感。是因為加速過程太平順,沒有換檔後加速度的落差
2. CVT高轉吵
高轉吵其實跟變速箱無關,噪音是來自引擎
不過CVT的特性是會讓引擎轉速維持在固定轉速來加速
所以急加速時,引擎轉速會固定不變。這時車內乘客會持續聽到單調的引擎噪音
這種噪音模式會人來說會很煩躁
反之不管是AT還是DCT變速箱,加速過程引擎轉速都會隨著換檔而波動
聲浪也會忽大忽小,間歇性的噪音對人來說,接受度會比較高。
所以並不是高轉噪音在CVT上比較大,而是高轉時的引擎噪音在CVT上表現會很單調
※ 引述《RDSON (Rds(on))》之銘言:
: 如題
: 一般來說
: 會導入渦輪不外乎需要
: 低轉高扭力
: 達到省油 有力的感受
: 不需要像NA引擎
: 深踩才能把扭力叫出來
: 但我最近在看
: 眾多的CRV試駕影片
: 常主持人抱怨CVT特性
: 轉速高/吵啊 什麼的
: 其實CVT的特性
: 在我以前開神A的時候
: 就體驗過了
: 雖然神A整體上還算輕快
: 但只要有高轉速的引擎聲
: 會給我一種感覺
: "這台車好像不是很有力"
: "怎麼引擎要叫這麼大聲"
: 以上題外話
: 想請教的是說
: CVT+渦輪
: 在提速的時候 會讓轉速升高
: 比一般自排還高
: 所以會有些噪音什麼的
: 為什麼要搭CVT呢?
: 因為渦輪引擎在低轉
: {大概2000轉左右}
: 就有大扭力了
: 這時候CVT又比自排來得轉速高
: 轉速高就是增加油耗/噪音/熱
: 雖然說汽油渦輪不會像柴油車
: 拉高轉就軟腳
: 汽油渦輪是有延伸性的
: 不過搭CVT就是很違和
: 森林人好像也是這樣
: 為什麼低轉就有力的引擎要搭容易讓轉速飆高的CVT呢?
: 請問其中的學問
: 謝謝
: Sent from JPTT on my LGE LG-H870DS.
--
一是變速反應遲鈍
後者在現今的CVT上已經有非常大的改善了
而前者主要影響的是起步大油門時,ECU會限制引擎輸出避免CVT打滑
不過前陣子TOYOTA推出的新式CVT變速箱,很巧妙的解決了起步無法大油門的問題
同時也進一步強化了變速的反應性。
有興趣可以花時間看看
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HanImTejIVM
回來說到原PO提的兩個部份
1. CVT轉速比較高
實際上轉速跟時速的搭配是電腦根據需求來決定的
當駕駛需要急加速時,不管是什麼變速箱,對應的動作都是降低檔位,拉高轉速
讓引擎轉速進入高馬力輸出區間。巡航時則增加檔位降低轉速維持經濟性
所以急加速時的轉速,是車廠設定好的,跟CVT沒有太大關係
而CVT的最大優勢,是有無限多檔位,可以讓引擎轉速固定在最大馬力下加速
實際上這個狀態下,CVT的加速性能是非常優秀的
一來CVT可以讓引擎維持在最大輸出點
不管是DCT還是AT,檔位切換時引擎轉速都會離開最大馬力點
二來是CVT變速時不需要切斷動力輸出
即使是號稱換檔夭壽快的DCT,也會有短暫的動力切離讓檔位切換
所以實際上,CVT的加速性能是又快又平順
一般人會覺得CVT加速無感。是因為加速過程太平順,沒有換檔後加速度的落差
2. CVT高轉吵
高轉吵其實跟變速箱無關,噪音是來自引擎
不過CVT的特性是會讓引擎轉速維持在固定轉速來加速
所以急加速時,引擎轉速會固定不變。這時車內乘客會持續聽到單調的引擎噪音
這種噪音模式會人來說會很煩躁
反之不管是AT還是DCT變速箱,加速過程引擎轉速都會隨著換檔而波動
聲浪也會忽大忽小,間歇性的噪音對人來說,接受度會比較高。
所以並不是高轉噪音在CVT上比較大,而是高轉時的引擎噪音在CVT上表現會很單調
※ 引述《RDSON (Rds(on))》之銘言:
: 如題
: 一般來說
: 會導入渦輪不外乎需要
: 低轉高扭力
: 達到省油 有力的感受
: 不需要像NA引擎
: 深踩才能把扭力叫出來
: 但我最近在看
: 眾多的CRV試駕影片
: 常主持人抱怨CVT特性
: 轉速高/吵啊 什麼的
: 其實CVT的特性
: 在我以前開神A的時候
: 就體驗過了
: 雖然神A整體上還算輕快
: 但只要有高轉速的引擎聲
: 會給我一種感覺
: "這台車好像不是很有力"
: "怎麼引擎要叫這麼大聲"
: 以上題外話
: 想請教的是說
: CVT+渦輪
: 在提速的時候 會讓轉速升高
: 比一般自排還高
: 所以會有些噪音什麼的
: 為什麼要搭CVT呢?
: 因為渦輪引擎在低轉
: {大概2000轉左右}
: 就有大扭力了
: 這時候CVT又比自排來得轉速高
: 轉速高就是增加油耗/噪音/熱
: 雖然說汽油渦輪不會像柴油車
: 拉高轉就軟腳
: 汽油渦輪是有延伸性的
: 不過搭CVT就是很違和
: 森林人好像也是這樣
: 為什麼低轉就有力的引擎要搭容易讓轉速飆高的CVT呢?
: 請問其中的學問
: 謝謝
: Sent from JPTT on my LGE LG-H870DS.
--
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