瑞士冬季恐缺電 拿電動車開鍘 特斯拉股價 - 特斯拉

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※ 引述《wavespirit (鄉民進化論)》之銘言:
: 推 SakuraHana : https://i.imgur.com/NlVaqJB.png 12/06 21:39
: 推 SakuraHana : 電動車就環保騙局,接替柴油騙局的 12/06 21:42
: 推 SakuraHana : 我回來打臉你們了 https://tinyurl.com/bdhdknx4 12/06 22:56
: → SakuraHana : 故意先不寫出處,果然釣到了幾隻XDDDDDDDD 12/06 22:56
來矯正一下視聽好了,省的有人拿錯誤的東西出來還洋洋得意
而且這很得意的出處居然是mobile01的文章
多讀點書,你就會知道要去看一下裡面引用的是否正確
這邊直接先給結論,那圖完全就是錯的,猜的
因為連做那張圖的人引用的資料從一開始也就是錯的
資料來源其實是能源公司的研究還是經過驗證的學術研究就不說了
先看一下被當作神主牌的這張圖,有讀書的馬上就發現哪裡怪怪的
https://imgur.com/4QuPDqj
媽耶? 挪威居然輸瑞士? 這是不是哪裡有誤會?
挪威是公認電力來源最乾淨的國家之一,每度電的碳排只有26.4 to 55.3
瑞士呢? 每度電碳排 20.1 to 304.2
挪威的發電碳排低於瑞士應該算是基本常識,然後這張圖居然是瑞士更環保
第二個神主牌就是這張圖,很不幸也是錯的
https://i.imgur.com/NlVaqJB.png
這張圖就mobile01的人基於自己的錯誤理解繪製出來的
他的論點是這樣的
==================================================================
目前2021波蘭的燃煤發電比例為70.8%,
而最具減排效益的國家,前三名是:瑞士(靠水力和核能)、挪威(靠水力)
以及法國(核能占比全球最高)。
台灣目前的火力發電占比是84%,
火力發電當中,燃煤發電占46.28%、燃氣發電占34.64%、燃油發電占3.08%。
而每產生一兆焦耳的能量,天然氣大約是煤的6成CO2排量,
因此我們可以換算台灣目前的火力發電組成,其排碳量相當於純煤發電的比例約為:70%
與波蘭的燃煤發電比例相當。
======================================================================
根據他的感覺派估算,他推測台灣跟波蘭的碳排相同,加上錯誤的神主牌1
得到了在台灣電車不會比較環保的結論,但很不幸這也是錯的
因為根據公開數據,波蘭的發電碳排放為 588.5 to 655.4
同樣根據公開數據,台灣的發電碳排放為 529.5 to 535.7
大約只有波蘭的85%........說好的跟波蘭一樣呢?
再來,如果只有波蘭的85%,那有沒有比較環保呢?
那就要請出Nature上刊登過的paper了
根據資料可以得到一個結論就是發電碳排每度必須低於750
那台灣的發電碳排有沒有低於750呢?
在台灣有沒有比較環保,應該已經有答案了
隨便算一下按照台灣的數據,電動車開多少公里會比油車環保
拿神A跟Model 3來比較,生產的碳排放大概差了2600kg左右
導入神A平均油耗14.9/L,每公里碳排大約 147.65
導入Model 3電耗 170 Wh/km (很多人比這低但算高一點)以及每度電 碳排 530
每公里的碳排大約 90.1
計算一下就能得出在台灣開電動車 45,178 公里後,整體碳排放就比油車要來的少
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: 推 SakuraHana : https://i.imgur.com/NlVaqJB.png 12/06 21:39

: 推 SakuraHana : 我回來打臉你們了 https://tinyurl.com/bdhdknx4 12/06 22:56
: → SakuraHana : 故意先不寫出處,果然釣到了幾隻XDDDDDDDD 12/06 22:56
來矯正一下視聽好了,省的有人拿錯誤的東西出來還洋洋得意
而且這很得意的出處居然是mobile01的文章
多讀點書,你就會知道要去看一下裡面引用的是否正確
這邊直接先給結論,那圖完全就是錯的,猜的
因為連做那張圖的人引用的資料從一開始也就是錯的
資料來源其實是能源公司的研究還是經過驗證的學術研究就不說了
先看一下被當作神主牌的這張圖,有讀書的馬上就發現哪裡怪怪的
https://imgur.com/4QuPDqj
媽耶? 挪威居然輸瑞士? 這是不是哪裡有誤會?
挪威是公認電力來源最乾淨的國家之一,每度電的碳排只有26.4 to 55.3
瑞士呢? 每度電碳排 20.1 to 304.2
挪威的發電碳排低於瑞士應該算是基本常識,然後這張圖居然是瑞士更環保
第二個神主牌就是這張圖,很不幸也是錯的
https://i.imgur.com/NlVaqJB.png

這張圖就mobile01的人基於自己的錯誤理解繪製出來的
他的論點是這樣的
==================================================================
目前2021波蘭的燃煤發電比例為70.8%,
而最具減排效益的國家,前三名是:瑞士(靠水力和核能)、挪威(靠水力)
以及法國(核能占比全球最高)。
台灣目前的火力發電占比是84%,
火力發電當中,燃煤發電占46.28%、燃氣發電占34.64%、燃油發電占3.08%。
而每產生一兆焦耳的能量,天然氣大約是煤的6成CO2排量,
因此我們可以換算台灣目前的火力發電組成,其排碳量相當於純煤發電的比例約為:70%
與波蘭的燃煤發電比例相當。
======================================================================
根據他的感覺派估算,他推測台灣跟波蘭的碳排相同,加上錯誤的神主牌1
得到了在台灣電車不會比較環保的結論,但很不幸這也是錯的
因為根據公開數據,波蘭的發電碳排放為 588.5 to 655.4
同樣根據公開數據,台灣的發電碳排放為 529.5 to 535.7
大約只有波蘭的85%........說好的跟波蘭一樣呢?
再來,如果只有波蘭的85%,那有沒有比較環保呢?
那就要請出Nature上刊登過的paper了
根據資料可以得到一個結論就是發電碳排每度必須低於750
那台灣的發電碳排有沒有低於750呢?
在台灣有沒有比較環保,應該已經有答案了
隨便算一下按照台灣的數據,電動車開多少公里會比油車環保
拿神A跟Model 3來比較,生產的碳排放大概差了2600kg左右
導入神A平均油耗14.9/L,每公里碳排大約 147.65
導入Model 3電耗 170 Wh/km (很多人比這低但算高一點)以及每度電 碳排 530
每公里的碳排大約 90.1
計算一下就能得出在台灣開電動車 45,178 公里後,整體碳排放就比油車要來的少
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