蘇俄那麼會做戰車怎麼不會做民用車? - 汽車

By Rosalind
at 2022-02-18T12:10
at 2022-02-18T12:10
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作者: execute (很好) 看板: Gossiping
標題: Re: [問卦] 蘇俄那麼會做戰車怎麼不會做民用車?
時間: Wed Feb 2 14:19:53 2022
明明俄羅斯有汽車產業
連查都懶就自己想像評論
https://www.marklines.com/ja/global/rus
這個網頁整理了俄羅斯本土與外國汽車工廠
俄羅斯也有半導體工廠和半導體設備製造商
以前還在G8工業國的時代
俄羅斯半導體設備商還有到台灣參展
他們產業鏈完善 只是海外賣不出來而已
最強的航空工業的民航機也是因為海外業績不好
只販售俄羅斯國內 可以想到的工業產品俄羅斯絕對有
※ 引述《Sturmvogel (Schwalbe)》之銘言
: ※ 引述《LoveMakeLove (民進党の狂犬)》之銘言:
: : 一般人二戰想起戰車八成都是德國虎式豹式坦克。
: : 但是沒有蘇聯T-34 KV-1 IS-2的震撼教育,德國根本不可能製造更強的坦克。
: : 現在戰爭少了以前製造戰車的廠商都轉作民用車輛而且轉型成功,日本三菱、德國保時
: 捷、
: : 義大利飛雅特Fiat、捷克斯科達Skoda、美國克萊斯勒等都赫赫有名。
: : 反而蘇聯和之後的俄羅斯反而沒辦法轉型,到現在還是買日本品牌豐田日產甚至韓國現
: 代起
: : 亞的車。
: : 有沒有這方面的八卦?還是他們戰鬥民族只會做戰車?
: : ----
: : Sent from BePTT on my Xiaomi Mi 9T Pro
: 問題是蘇聯的戰車品質不好
: 所以才要用比人家大的砲管
: 防護技術不好,只好用比人家厚的裝甲
: IS重戰車系列帳面數字看起來可怕
: 但是德國人也沒到被嚇到屁滾尿流的境界
: 看看美國人看到虎式,每個都嚇得魂都沒了
: 德國人很清楚蘇聯戰車的實力跟弱點
: 所以還是可以對付這些戰車
: 就算是日後的T72,馬力也是只能用可悲來形容
: 所以在M1,挑戰者,豹式,都到60噸了,T72戰車也只有四十幾噸
: 德國戰車屌的地方是用柴油引擎可以跟美國用汽油的引擎馬力一樣大,性能一樣
: 蘇聯戰車就謝謝再聯絡了
: T72只有那根砲管嚇人
: 紅場閱兵是一字轉開很長一根
: 這就給美國軍方一個很好的題材
: 拼命吹說這根蘇聯戰車砲很猛
: 所以我們的戰車已經落後了
: 拼命加裝備
: 複合裝甲,劣化鈾裝甲,彈頭什麼的拼命裝
: 結果入侵伊拉克時
: 美國人吹的牛又被戳破了
: 美國人當年把蘇聯戰車吹上天
: 結果在M1面前,彷彿是紙糊的一樣
: T72的砲塔造型是圓弧狀的
: 西方國家當年使用複合裝甲
: 怎麼樣也弄不出圓弧造型的
: 所以T72這種裝甲沒辦法用複合裝甲
: 只能用鑄造的,就是一個鐵殼
: 不過還是有人吹說蘇聯可能有秘密技術
: 可以用鑄造的弄出複合裝甲
: 為了幫蘇聯人吹,美國人是想破了頭找理由
: 所以說吹牛,就是美國軍方的傳統
: 不是蘇聯戰車做的好
: 是蘇聯有一個最大的蘇吹在幫忙吹
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: Sent from JPTT on my Google Pixel 4a (5G).
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Sent from BePTT on my Sony XQ-AT52
心得:
蘇聯二戰時期的戰車是強在外裝有傾斜甲,內裝的根本爛得一塌糊塗,反觀德
意志內裝吊打蘇系戰車好幾條街
二戰蘇系的坦克生產策略幾乎是極端追求產量而完全忽略其他車輛的設計要素
,例如乘員舒適度這點,時過境遷到現代社會講求舒適性設計感等等的民用市
場,轉型失敗也很合理
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