國產12代altis剛性真的好嗎? - 汽車

By Lucy
at 2019-10-19T02:04
at 2019-10-19T02:04
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我覺得大家有點誤解
在版上,剛性=耐撞不知道怎麼開始的
剛性是材料抵抗變形的一個指標
跟撞擊好像沒太大關係(汽車太複雜)
常在講鋼材多少MPa那個是Yield Strength不是剛性
因為方便所以材料才用這個拉伸強度標示
其實在鋼材中,通常抗拉能力越強
吸收能量也高(抗撞)
所以這是可以接受的
但是車體結構就不一定,所以才要撞側
如果看下圖
https://i.imgur.com/36PSBgf.jpg
剛性(Stiffness)是斜率
跟Yield Strength是不一樣的
而通常車業在講的”剛性”
”是車體抗扭曲的能力”
像是皮卡抗扭曲剛性測試
像皮卡因為缺少橫向的支撐
所以扭曲剛性比較明顯
下圖中車體支撐不平衡貨斗跟駕駛艙差異就很明顯
https://i.imgur.com/qRyk6xJ.jpg
回到altis 60%剛性提升
其實這個美國官網也有提到
https://i.imgur.com/yFo0vKx.jpg
改了底盤跟材料所以
torsional rigidity比前代提升60%
這個torsional rigidity是車子的抗扭轉剛性
就是車子抵抗扭轉的能力
完全沒提到撞擊抵抗能力
所以大概也跟防撞結構沒有什麼關係
下面講的防撞結構跟這個剛性是沒有連結的
台灣官網也是照翻而已
那提升60%誇不誇張
其實也還好
整個底盤都換了,製程也不一樣,車體改一體化
根本就是不同的東西了
以前根本沒拉桿,現在原廠自帶拉桿
講難聽點,老Altis裝個防滾龍拉桿搞不好也能60%
台灣官網就寫抗扭曲剛性提升
然後原文明明”抗扭曲”這幾個字很重要卻刻意省略
剛好可以跟”剛性=耐撞”這個引申的概念揍一起
之後再討論撞擊的事情也太鬧
發這種好像挖到什麼證據的酸文
是不是該認真做一下功課才發
不然也只是鬧笑話,讓人瞎起鬨而已
※ 引述《Ho1liday (江湖唯有英雄志)》之銘言:
: 新款12代ALTIS官方宣稱比舊款暴增 60% 的車體剛性 !
: 至於有多少所謂的 "高抗的鋼樑" ?
: 答案是 : 只有 5根(隻) 1000(含)Mpa以上的鋼材(官方資料)
: 而這五根鋼材用在兩個地方
: 兩根 用在兩邊後車門的防撞鋼材
: 三根 是用在前防撞鋼樑的下方
: 所以60%......那上一代怎回事....?
: 在美國要是增加60%,那肯定代表有什麼突破
: 60%真是太神了!
: 5樓有沒有新一代神A的道路實測?
--
在版上,剛性=耐撞不知道怎麼開始的
剛性是材料抵抗變形的一個指標
跟撞擊好像沒太大關係(汽車太複雜)
常在講鋼材多少MPa那個是Yield Strength不是剛性
因為方便所以材料才用這個拉伸強度標示
其實在鋼材中,通常抗拉能力越強
吸收能量也高(抗撞)
所以這是可以接受的
但是車體結構就不一定,所以才要撞側
如果看下圖
https://i.imgur.com/36PSBgf.jpg
剛性(Stiffness)是斜率
跟Yield Strength是不一樣的
而通常車業在講的”剛性”
”是車體抗扭曲的能力”
像是皮卡抗扭曲剛性測試
像皮卡因為缺少橫向的支撐
所以扭曲剛性比較明顯
下圖中車體支撐不平衡貨斗跟駕駛艙差異就很明顯
https://i.imgur.com/qRyk6xJ.jpg
回到altis 60%剛性提升
其實這個美國官網也有提到
https://i.imgur.com/yFo0vKx.jpg
改了底盤跟材料所以
torsional rigidity比前代提升60%
這個torsional rigidity是車子的抗扭轉剛性
就是車子抵抗扭轉的能力
完全沒提到撞擊抵抗能力
所以大概也跟防撞結構沒有什麼關係
下面講的防撞結構跟這個剛性是沒有連結的
台灣官網也是照翻而已
那提升60%誇不誇張
其實也還好
整個底盤都換了,製程也不一樣,車體改一體化
根本就是不同的東西了
以前根本沒拉桿,現在原廠自帶拉桿
講難聽點,老Altis裝個防滾龍拉桿搞不好也能60%
台灣官網就寫抗扭曲剛性提升
然後原文明明”抗扭曲”這幾個字很重要卻刻意省略
剛好可以跟”剛性=耐撞”這個引申的概念揍一起
之後再討論撞擊的事情也太鬧
發這種好像挖到什麼證據的酸文
是不是該認真做一下功課才發
不然也只是鬧笑話,讓人瞎起鬨而已
※ 引述《Ho1liday (江湖唯有英雄志)》之銘言:
: 新款12代ALTIS官方宣稱比舊款暴增 60% 的車體剛性 !
: 至於有多少所謂的 "高抗的鋼樑" ?
: 答案是 : 只有 5根(隻) 1000(含)Mpa以上的鋼材(官方資料)
: 而這五根鋼材用在兩個地方
: 兩根 用在兩邊後車門的防撞鋼材
: 三根 是用在前防撞鋼樑的下方
: 所以60%......那上一代怎回事....?
: 在美國要是增加60%,那肯定代表有什麼突破
: 60%真是太神了!
: 5樓有沒有新一代神A的道路實測?
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