把Tesla Model S P100D電池拆了之後發現 - 汽車

Irma avatar
By Irma
at 2017-01-25T16:09

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有位Tesla車主把他買到的P100D拆了之後發現原來電池容量並不是剛好100kWh

而是102.4kWh,這裡面包括了98.4kWh的可用容量跟4kWh的緩衝容量

http://i.imgur.com/rMYvlws.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/WuI6jZY.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Uiz5ne7.jpg
(第三張照片上方的是85的電池,下方的是剛拆的100電池)

完整的100電池模組有516個電池包,總共有8256顆電池

這些電池規格還是18650,而以後Model 3將會採用2170電池
(我猜以後應該會全車系全面都換成2170)


之前這位車主Jason Hughes拆下85電池時發現其實可用容量只有77kWh,總容量是81kWh

那時Tesla給的回覆是這樣的:

“The battery pack in Model S is designed to meet everyday driving needs
as well as provide long range for road trips. The total available energy
from a battery depends greatly on conditions and can vary based on
factors such discharge rate and temperature. It is very difficult to
replicate the exact discharge profile at home to extract the maximum
available energy in a battery pack.”

最後一段話:

....因為條件的不同.... 在家測量精確的放電曲線得到最大容量是非常困難的....


所以實際容量大概也只有Tesla自己才清楚

這其中的差別可能就是理論值跟實際測量的差別

就像是把1顆電池容量x8256拿來跟8256顆電池組的電池模組的測量值比較一定會有所不同

不過可以確定的是100電池模組裡的電池數量比90電池模組多了約16%


另外這位Jason Hughes打算把這個100電池模組裝到自己的Model X P90D上面升級

(這傢伙有好多Tesla,至少有Model S P85D、P100D、Model X P90D )

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https://goo.gl/MLqOxX

Teardown of new 100 kWh Tesla battery pack reveals new cooling system and
102 kWh capacity

After a teardown of Tesla’s since discontinued 85 kWh battery pack,
long-time Tesla owner and battery tinkerer Jason Hughes was the first to
bring up the fact that Tesla’s packs don’t always have the same
capacity as advertised. He found that the 85 kWh battery pack actually
only had a capacity of up to 81 kWh and ~77 kWh usable capacity.

Hughes got his hands a 100 kWh battery pack and did another teardown to
reveal Tesla’s new cooling system and that it doesn’t have the same
capacity as advertised. Though this time, it’s a higher capacity: 102.4
kWh.

As we reported last month, Hughes cracked Tesla’s battery management
system and reveal all the real total capacity and usable capacity of each
of Tesla’s battery pack except for the 100 kWh, which he didn’t have
access to at the time.

Now he has one after buying what could be the first salvaged Tesla Model
S P100D, which ultimately is what enabled the first teardown of the new
battery pack.

When Tesla first unveiled the 100 kWh battery pack in August, the company
said that the higher energy density was enabled through several
improvements, like a new module and pack architecture, new cooling system
and electronics. CTO JB Straubel described the upgrade as a “significant
change”.

Hughes’ teardown of the pack revealed that the new modules have 516
cells for a total of 8,256 cells per pack. That’s a ~16% increase over
the number of cells in the 85/90 kWh packs.

In a blog post, Hughes describes the new module and cooling architecture:

Basically they crammed a couple more rows of cells into the module. But
what about the rumors around cooling? Well, they did modify the cooling,
but not in any exotic way. The new modules simply have two shorter and
thinner cooling loops per module. This way the coolant doesn’t have to
run past so many cells before exiting.

And he shared a few pictures (the one on the left is a comparison of a
module from a 85 kWh pack (top) vs a module from a 100 kWh (bottom)):

Though the most interesting fact to come out of the teardown is
undoubtedly that even though Tesla usually rounds up the capacity of its
packs, the “100 kWh” is the exception. Hughes says that the BMS
indicates 98.4 kWh of usable capacity plus a 4 kWh buffer for a total of
102.4 kWh.

While it introduces a new module and cooling architecture, the outside of
the pack remains mostly unchanged, which is why Tesla offers it as an
upgrade to other performance versions of the Model S and X. Hughes
described the upgrade process as “plug-and-play for the most part”.

It’s good for him since he is himself going to use the pack in another
car – his Model X P90D that will become a P100D. The guy has so many
Tesla battery packs right now that he is playing musical chair with them
and his Teslas.

It’s also interesting to better understand the 100 kWh pack considering
that Tesla CTO JB Straubel said that it was sort of a test bed for the
third generation battery pack that will be used in the Model 3:

“Some of the key improvements that enabled the new pack are directly on
the roadmap for the technologies that make Model 3 possible.”

Of course, the Model 3’s pack will also feature the new 2170 battery
cells produced at the Gigafactory while the 100 kWh pack still uses the
18650 format, but new cooling and module system could still make it to
the Model 3.

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All Comments

Queena avatar
By Queena
at 2017-01-30T08:36
真狂,不過把電池拆了還有保固嗎
Charlotte avatar
By Charlotte
at 2017-01-31T01:36
拿來當軌道車玩的概念
Hamiltion avatar
By Hamiltion
at 2017-02-04T13:06
比較好奇的是自己換電池要怎麼跟原始軟體匹配
Dorothy avatar
By Dorothy
at 2017-02-08T19:31
刷韌體(誤\
這刷下去不會變磚
Delia avatar
By Delia
at 2017-02-11T17:40
喔喔 連軟體都自己弄的話真的就是軌道車的概念了
Edward Lewis avatar
By Edward Lewis
at 2017-02-12T18:38
這人該不會是其他車廠負責反向工程的員工? XD
Barb Cronin avatar
By Barb Cronin
at 2017-02-13T06:09
會不會裝不上去啊?XD 電池量不同 尺寸也不同了
Zora avatar
By Zora
at 2017-02-15T17:08
這個上級者模式...
Carolina Franco avatar
By Carolina Franco
at 2017-02-16T22:04
拆狗狗肉的電池會被告嗎?
Edith avatar
By Edith
at 2017-02-17T12:47
gogoro的電池是用租的,拆了你覺得會不會被告
Poppy avatar
By Poppy
at 2017-02-20T20:46
外星科技
Regina avatar
By Regina
at 2017-02-24T18:17
車子感覺像PC,可以任意拆下升級
John avatar
By John
at 2017-02-26T19:08
為啥不做成一個大的18650就好
Elma avatar
By Elma
at 2017-02-28T16:36
樓上的意思應該是為什麼不能做一個大的單體電池
Lydia avatar
By Lydia
at 2017-03-04T12:31
跟產業成熟度有關吧?現在好像就是18650最穩
Candice avatar
By Candice
at 2017-03-05T04:12
一個大的就是專用 很多小的就通用 越通用成本越低
Gary avatar
By Gary
at 2017-03-06T06:17
跟反應槽一樣,大的比較危險
Harry avatar
By Harry
at 2017-03-08T08:40
大的一次就是壞一整顆
Jacob avatar
By Jacob
at 2017-03-09T10:53
而且多次實驗證明小型分散式電源優點很多
Ivy avatar
By Ivy
at 2017-03-14T08:25
包含初始成本 維修成本 以及損壞隔離都是強項
缺點就是得砸大把鈔票去搞電池管理系統 不過看起來
這個投資報酬率還不錯的
Noah avatar
By Noah
at 2017-03-17T21:09
Elizabeth avatar
By Elizabeth
at 2017-03-18T12:10
18650大小的鋰電池現在有一狗票廠商在做,成本可以壓低
要另外設計一個超大容量巨型鋰電池,不只成本大幅增加
Kristin avatar
By Kristin
at 2017-03-19T05:20
還會增加監控電池電壓與溫度的精細度,以及封裝困難度
除了18650,現在也很多電動車用片狀的鋰電池
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2017-03-22T01:05
用在小型車比較多,因為18650圓柱形的包裝太佔空間了
Barb Cronin avatar
By Barb Cronin
at 2017-03-25T18:06
車子被拆 看了藍瘦香菇 QQ
Margaret avatar
By Margaret
at 2017-03-30T05:13
看土豪哥表演為什麼會藍瘦香菇...恨自己不爭氣XD?
Leila avatar
By Leila
at 2017-04-03T11:29
買來拆,太狂啦
Margaret avatar
By Margaret
at 2017-04-07T02:12
18650雖然有一堆廠商在做,真正又安全又高效率的八
成也只有Panasonic。
Jacky avatar
By Jacky
at 2017-04-09T13:36
片狀應該是Nissan車系的EV,他們有獨立開發,對於
Xanthe avatar
By Xanthe
at 2017-04-13T21:24
空間規劃是好事,但對於他們家電池系統的推廣則非
Ula avatar
By Ula
at 2017-04-18T05:28
Musk的野心比較像是在全球新能源系統插旗,電動車只
是一環
Catherine avatar
By Catherine
at 2017-04-18T15:43
哇靠...有錢人,居然拆電池
John avatar
By John
at 2017-04-18T18:33
他是買報廢車來拆

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