沒碰撞的車禍!女駕駛擅離 肇逃判刑6月 - 轎車

By Dora
at 2022-09-03T07:46
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我才疏學淺 想請版上法律人士/專家幫我釐清疑問:
> 當看到交通事故時 如何確認自己不會成為肇逃罪的對象?
以下提供幾個幻想事故例子來協助大家思考A車是否成立肇逃
若不成立 那在新增任意數量追加事實的情況下是否仍不成立?
0) 通用前提
a) A車為轎車 B車為機車
b) A車駕駛在所有例子中都有認知到事故發生 但都認為與自己無關並駛離
c) B車摔車時和A車的距離 以及駕駛所受之傷 皆與原文新聞案件相同
d) 各例皆不存在其文字敘述內容以外的違規情況
1) A車於幹線行經十字路口 B車於支線看到路口A車時煞車摔倒
a) 追加事實1: A車無照駕駛
b) 追加事實2: A車事發前已在路口煞停 並宣稱是因為看到B車速度不慢怕出車禍
2) A車靜止停等紅燈時 同車道正後方之B車在煞車時摔倒
a) 追加事實: A車酒測值超標
3) A車靜止於路邊停車格內 B車在A車正後方剎車時摔倒
a) 追加事實: 該停車格於事發時間限時禁止停車
4) B車在轉頭看隔壁車道之A車駕駛後 為閃避前方障礙物時煞車摔倒
a) 追加事實: A車駕駛沒穿衣服
9) 通用追加事實
a) B車駕駛在摔車後有起身拍打A車 並大喊"肇逃"等語
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> 當看到交通事故時 如何確認自己不會成為肇逃罪的對象?
以下提供幾個幻想事故例子來協助大家思考A車是否成立肇逃
若不成立 那在新增任意數量追加事實的情況下是否仍不成立?
0) 通用前提
a) A車為轎車 B車為機車
b) A車駕駛在所有例子中都有認知到事故發生 但都認為與自己無關並駛離
c) B車摔車時和A車的距離 以及駕駛所受之傷 皆與原文新聞案件相同
d) 各例皆不存在其文字敘述內容以外的違規情況
1) A車於幹線行經十字路口 B車於支線看到路口A車時煞車摔倒
a) 追加事實1: A車無照駕駛
b) 追加事實2: A車事發前已在路口煞停 並宣稱是因為看到B車速度不慢怕出車禍
2) A車靜止停等紅燈時 同車道正後方之B車在煞車時摔倒
a) 追加事實: A車酒測值超標
3) A車靜止於路邊停車格內 B車在A車正後方剎車時摔倒
a) 追加事實: 該停車格於事發時間限時禁止停車
4) B車在轉頭看隔壁車道之A車駕駛後 為閃避前方障礙物時煞車摔倒
a) 追加事實: A車駕駛沒穿衣服
9) 通用追加事實
a) B車駕駛在摔車後有起身拍打A車 並大喊"肇逃"等語
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All Comments

By Joe
at 2022-08-30T18:16
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9他攔你車了,不跑八成不會有事,跑了會有問題

By Zora
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方鑑定

By Oliver
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By Zora
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By Tristan Cohan
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By Donna
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By Zora
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但若無過失,有可能檢察官會不起訴或法官會判無罪

By Zora
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By Odelette
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By Frederic
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By Kumar
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By Candice
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By Ida
at 2022-08-30T18:16
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會導致像你這種人誤解

By Ida
at 2022-09-04T02:38
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沒碰撞當然也算發生交通事故,認定因果關係而已

By Charlie
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By Robert
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*如何在當下確認

By Lily
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By Brianna
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By Jacob
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By Hardy
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By Ivy
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By Damian
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By Blanche
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不過在此也先不討論

By Mia
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By Delia
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By Hamiltion
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By Jake
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By John
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By Ethan
at 2022-08-30T18:16
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法條沒那麼難研讀 都中文自己看好嗎

By Hamiltion
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By Linda
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By Ingrid
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就不要太多幹話了。多的是沒因果關係的case

By Charlie
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By Necoo
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By Necoo
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自摔我也可以講根本沒因果關係啊,搞不好他輪胎磨平?

By Emma
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By Skylar DavisLinda
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By Caroline
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By Lauren
at 2022-08-30T18:16
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喔,剛剛說不要扯其他case 現在又要扯了喔?

By Rosalind
at 2022-09-04T02:38
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今年年終知道該怎麼領了齁,你各位

By Connor
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By Rosalind
at 2022-09-04T02:38
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也可以自己多去翻翻判決書啦
不要再民粹了 笑死

By Zora
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愛扯因果嘛,這判決就是因,果就是領年終的大示範

By Una
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By Todd Johnson
at 2022-08-30T18:16
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185-4是嗎? 大家來筆記喔

By Daniel
at 2022-09-04T02:38
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因果關係影響的是肇事責任 / 法院判決輕重
重點在於你要知道事故的發生
但若有辦法舉證你明確"不知"事故的發生

By James
at 2022-08-30T18:16
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至於知不知,是否有因果 那就是後端查證論述的工作
看法盲繼續民粹跳針就笑爛 你快去摔再來說啦

By Michael
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By Rosalind
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By Kelly
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沒問題,還可以加以推廣呢

By Donna
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By Eden
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By Mason
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By Frederic
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By Olga
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By Jessica
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By Gary
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By Olga
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是否認知有事故發生不是當事人主述決定

By Liam
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所以會有很多種不同情況發生
1.有肇責但不知道事故有發生 法院認可

By Ophelia
at 2022-09-04T02:38
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2.無肇責但知道事故發生 未處理
減輕其刑甚至免刑 不起訴
原新聞首先第一他一定認知事故有發生

By Liam
at 2022-08-30T18:16
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以原case來看,法官已經盡量讓他減輕其刑了

By Oliver
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By Lydia
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By Oliver
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法盲也許不是我唷,是說人法盲的人欸

By Xanthe
at 2022-08-30T18:16
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0-b有沒有關就交給法院裁定啊?你自己離開就是
有機會吞185-4 就這樣

By Jacky
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By Olivia
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By Dinah
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By Andrew
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違反社會共識的在那邊講法律,難怪都說法律沒人要信

By Bennie
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By Ina
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都有可能被移送啦。

By Rae
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By Cara
at 2022-08-30T18:16
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去YT底下看看留言啦,法院都被罵死了,還不知悔改

By Steve
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還嘴別人法盲,嚴重違反社會共識都不知道
正常人看到這種50光年遠的自摔,還跑來拍打車子

By Elvira
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By Annie
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用你所謂的"社會常識"來維持秩序

By Michael
at 2022-08-30T18:16
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法院在這案子連教化意義都沒有了,去看YT還不懂悔悟

By Daph Bay
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By Oscar
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這種智障言論不就像是大家都違停 所以違停不該罰
這麼多人違停,我還以為違停是你所謂的社會共識勒

By Frederica
at 2022-09-04T02:38
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自以為的東西,嘴出來都說服不了老百姓,還當一回事

By Isabella
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By Dinah
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By Charlotte
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這個因果先講清楚啦,因果
亂拿來套用的法律,還自圓其說,進行強辯

By Ethan
at 2022-09-04T02:38
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後上法院跟法官這樣講看法官採不採信

By Iris
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就能改判了嗎

By Odelette
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By Ida
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By Rosalind
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還口口聲聲我這樣管人民是對的,噗

By Poppy
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By Agatha
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沒她的事

By Faithe
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By Mary
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By Jack
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By Franklin
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當事人要如何判斷自己當下是否與此事相涉?
心平氣和的好好討論好嗎?各位大哥

By Sandy
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By Necoo
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By Audriana
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By Charlie
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By Eartha
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By Daniel
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By Kelly
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By Carol
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By Queena
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人民的疑問都看不懂,閱讀能力這麼差

By Rae
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By Kumar
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某人不是要靠這招去賺錢,先去摔 回來就有經驗了

By Callum
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By Elvira
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有沒有"因果"影響的是是否有肇事責任
連帶影響法官是否減輕其刑或減刑 檢察官是否起訴

By Cara
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就說多的是被不起訴或者無罪的案例,他們是否也是

By Rae
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By Hazel
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你我說了算,判決書寫幹支道 但仍會去判斷
雙方是否有造成對方事故的可能性

By Susan
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By Xanthe
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連這都講不清楚,一直講事後
先把當下這個前提拉出來,百姓才知道該怎麼做,好嗎?

By Mary
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By Blanche
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拍打汽車並阻止其離開,騎士當下行為應該就已經使白
車駕駛與此事連結,對吧?

By Rachel
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By Cara
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By Anthony
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By Hazel
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依照法律設定的目的是為了讓人民可以互相急難救助
的前提,就是要下車處理並救助

By Blanche
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By Connor
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By Caitlin
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件範圍

By Heather
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By Agatha
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By Andrew
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只要騎士在筆錄內有告知他是因為閃避汽車而摔車

By Christine
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但白車就不是應注意未注意 所以當下走人我可以理解

By Skylar Davis
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"拍打"這個要件只是更加強汽車駕駛不可能用"不知"
有事故發生這點來避罪而已

By Mary
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聽聽其它人的想法

By Edwina
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支道讓主道的前提是,雙方都在路口

By Leila
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185-4成立與否跟你有沒有注意是無關的
只要你"可能"是事故關係人,就要進行救助
你要主張你"不是",那麻煩後面跟法院說

By Kyle
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By Edwina
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不然就像前面某些人所說

By Mia
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By James
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我大可放他在地上死去而不用做處理
而這條後來修法就是為了避免此種情況

By Joseph
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如果連法官都無法告訴我們這路口該如何解

By Rachel
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By Gary
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By Zora
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那你理論上是不可能發生你在路中間而對方到路口
這種情況。除非你可以舉證對方原本"不可視"

By Emily
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,似乎有過當的嫌疑…

By Rachel
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但對方若沒明顯超速,但幹支道就是判決的基準與初衷

By Eartha
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By Rebecca
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By Linda
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By Blanche
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可憐哪,低端老百姓真的被亂搞

By Ida
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By Edith
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By Ida
at 2022-09-04T02:38
at 2022-09-04T02:38
但如果凡事都要留在現場 事後等法官自由心證

By Isabella
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By Iris
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By Ursula
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By Erin
at 2022-09-04T02:38
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一定還有其他狀況是我們沒遇過的

By Hedy
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By Megan
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By Tracy
at 2022-08-30T18:16
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前提已經說了,立法的目的是讓人民可以互相救助

By Carolina Franco
at 2022-09-04T02:38
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By David
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By Agnes
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By Ethan
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By Yedda
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By Hamiltion
at 2022-08-30T18:16
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與一般肇逃者相違…

By Xanthe
at 2022-09-04T02:38
at 2022-09-04T02:38
重點不是你"是不是想逃逸" 而是"未做處置"

By Hazel
at 2022-08-30T18:16
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責嗎?白車到路中間好幾秒機車才來,就可以判斷白
車出來時左側無車,所以機車本來就該停下來!

By Jack
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By Irma
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By Queena
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By Agatha
at 2022-08-30T18:16
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白車第一時間想閃,乃情理之中好嗎?

By Wallis
at 2022-09-04T02:38
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By Liam
at 2022-08-30T18:16
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還在鬼扯50光年

By Leila
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By Faithe
at 2022-08-30T18:16
at 2022-08-30T18:16
https://reurl.cc/MN6exk
熱騰騰的新聞啦,一樣沒碰撞

By Liam
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By Ida
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By Frederica
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By Candice
at 2022-08-30T18:16
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訂立有義務責任的好撒馬利亞人法可能會比較好

By Heather
at 2022-09-04T02:38
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By Franklin
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By Andrew
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By Yedda
at 2022-08-30T18:16
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還是說又扯”大家都這樣的社會共識”?難怪每次轉
彎車出事都說我開出來一半了,然後最後又被判7成肇
責

By Kama
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By Jacky
at 2022-08-30T18:16
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然後肇事逃逸不是你去告,不用想這麼多啦

By Ingrid
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By Jacky
at 2022-08-30T18:16
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檢察官和法官

By Sierra Rose
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只有那台被開罰單的不用繳
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