Honda推出了僅供租賃的電動車Clarity EV - 價格
By Hedwig
at 2017-06-12T15:17
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看不懂本田在耍什麼把戲
搞一輛續航力只有89 miles的電動車,月租要$269 (美金)
(本田中文介紹:http://cn.automobiles.honda.com/future-cars/clarity-electric )
這種續航力還好意思拿出來?
這種續航力跟價格比起對手一點競爭力也沒有
就算是定位在短距離通勤車也太貴、續航力太短
比起真正的電動車續航力根本不在同一個等級
這些傳統車廠的最大問題就是想把燃油車引擎油箱拆了換裝上馬達電池來做電動車
結果做出來的電動車續航力不好、效能不好,連帶打壞了消費者心中對於電動車的形象
就不能好好針對電池以及馬達從底盤好好設計一輛電動車嗎?
急著拿出這種半成品出來
讓人感覺這些車廠的目的是在扼殺電動車跟自己的未來
然後就有藉口說消費者不接受電動車所以我們不做了
這是因為你們做出了一輛爛車啊!!!
Electrek甚至說本田推出這種電動車近似於"無恥"
Honda seems to have shamelessly positioned the Clarity EV as a compliance car.
先不說今年下半年要開始交車的Model 3續航力多了一倍有餘
市面上的Leaf、Bolt、Zoe、中國境內一堆電動車續航力都比這多的多
本田推出這種車不曉得在想什麼,對得起本質迷嗎?
原文連結:
https://goo.gl/n2MCv4
原文內容:
Honda Clarity EV details: 89-mile range, lease only, $269/mo, available
August/September (DOA?)
Honda held a test drive event this weekend for the all-electric version
of their Clarity vehicle platform, and we learned answers to several of
the hanging questions about the vehicle.
The range, which we recently reported would be around 80 miles, will
actually be a bit higher-than-expected at 89 miles. The car also comes
with DC charging standard. This isn’t so bad compared to many other EVs
on the market, but in a world where the Bolt EV and Model 3 exist, this
range spec is starting to look a little dated. Even worse, the price is
higher than other “near-100-mile” EVs, with a factory lease price of
$269/mo, $1,999 down (including first month’s payment), though a very
generous 20,000 miles per year.
The Clarity EV will be available in August or September, and only as a
compliance vehicle in California and Oregon. With a price/feature
package like this, though, it might be dead on arrival, especially
compared to what else is available these days. Check below the break for
why.
The Clarity EV is capable of level 1, 2 and 3 charging. On level 1, a
standard 120v outlet, a full battery charge will take about 19 hours. On
level 2, which is the recommended home charging mode, a full charge will
take about 3 hours. On level 3 DC charging, you’ll be able to reach 80%
in about 30 minutes.
The battery is in the rear of the car, taking up room which would
otherwise be extra trunk space. There is a lot of empty space under the
hood, belying the fact that this is a car which shares a platform with
other drive configurations, and wasn’t designed around being
all-electric (else they could have several more cubic feet of storage
space in a “frunk”, had Honda designed the car around that idea).
Battery kWh was not specified, but from the charging times above it
sounds like it’s about 20-22kWh – which also means the DC charging
happens at only around ~40kW. This is better than nothing and it’s good
that DC charging is included, but the rate seems low when compared to the
Hyundai Ioniq EV‘s 100kW capability (albeit only for about 15 minutes
before the battery fills up too much and needs to throttle charging
rates).
For their part, Honda is happy with the range number because they wanted
to “differentiate” the EV from other vehicles in the Clarity line. The
EV version of the car is “a niche car for a niche customer.” For those
customers who do not need long range, they wanted to offer a battery
which is properly sized for their needs. While I’m sympathetic to this
reasoning as I often would like the option to buy smaller battery packs
in exchange for money/weight savings on the vehicle (I’m looking at you,
Tesla…a Roadster with ~300lbs less battery weight would handle so well…
), Honda’s price is too high to make up for their relatively low-spec
car.
For comparison, Hyundai’s recent “multiple drivetrains on one platform
” entry, the Ioniq EV, offers more range, the most efficient car ever
sold in the US (Ioniq EV gets 136mpge vs. Clarity’s 114mpge), faster DC
quick charging, and an “unlimited subscription package” which includes
unlimited mileage, free maintenance even on wear items (tires etc.), no
license fees, and even a reimbursement for charging costs. All of this
is available at $275/mo, just $6/mo more than the Clarity but with what
seems like a much better value proposition. Even the Clarity’s generous
20k miles/yr doesn’t compete with the Hyundai’s unlimited mileage.
The Bolt EV, which has a higher lease price than both, also seems to
offer a better package for the price. Factory lease deals are $329/mo
but some dealers will beat that, and for that price you get a much more
capable car, purpose-built EV which is speedy and fun – we loved it in
our review. And given the many other EVs with ~90 mile range which are
available for purchase or with significantly better lease deals than the
Clarity, all of which have been on the roads for years, Honda seems late
to the party with this one.
It is also troubling to offer a car as “a niche car for a niche customer.
” We’ve had plenty of experience with car companies refusing to sell
EVs seriously, either positioning them as geographically-limited “
compliance cars” or with dealerships veering customers away from full
EVs.
Honda seems to have shamelessly positioned the Clarity EV as a compliance
car, as it will only be available in two states, and only via a lease –
similar to their past effort, the Fit EV, and recalling shades of the GM
EV1 to longtime EV fans (see “Who Killed the Electric Car?” for more on
how GM killed their EV program, took back leased EVs and crushed them,
which then inspired Tesla’s founding). This was a common tactic for
many years among companies who just wanted ZEV credits so they could
continue to sell gas guzzlers in California, but it seemed like the
industry might be starting to move away from that direction with some
more serious, nationwide entrants like the Bolt EV.
So, Honda’s Clarity EV might fill a niche, but it seems like that niche
could be “people buying a car three or four years ago when these specs
might have been seen as average and who don’t mind paying a premium for
some reason.” It’s 2017, Honda. The Bolt, Ioniq and Model 3 exist (or
at least it will by September). You can do better than this.
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搞一輛續航力只有89 miles的電動車,月租要$269 (美金)
(本田中文介紹:http://cn.automobiles.honda.com/future-cars/clarity-electric )
這種續航力還好意思拿出來?
這種續航力跟價格比起對手一點競爭力也沒有
就算是定位在短距離通勤車也太貴、續航力太短
比起真正的電動車續航力根本不在同一個等級
這些傳統車廠的最大問題就是想把燃油車引擎油箱拆了換裝上馬達電池來做電動車
結果做出來的電動車續航力不好、效能不好,連帶打壞了消費者心中對於電動車的形象
就不能好好針對電池以及馬達從底盤好好設計一輛電動車嗎?
急著拿出這種半成品出來
讓人感覺這些車廠的目的是在扼殺電動車跟自己的未來
然後就有藉口說消費者不接受電動車所以我們不做了
這是因為你們做出了一輛爛車啊!!!
Electrek甚至說本田推出這種電動車近似於"無恥"
Honda seems to have shamelessly positioned the Clarity EV as a compliance car.
先不說今年下半年要開始交車的Model 3續航力多了一倍有餘
市面上的Leaf、Bolt、Zoe、中國境內一堆電動車續航力都比這多的多
本田推出這種車不曉得在想什麼,對得起本質迷嗎?
原文連結:
https://goo.gl/n2MCv4
原文內容:
Honda Clarity EV details: 89-mile range, lease only, $269/mo, available
August/September (DOA?)
Honda held a test drive event this weekend for the all-electric version
of their Clarity vehicle platform, and we learned answers to several of
the hanging questions about the vehicle.
The range, which we recently reported would be around 80 miles, will
actually be a bit higher-than-expected at 89 miles. The car also comes
with DC charging standard. This isn’t so bad compared to many other EVs
on the market, but in a world where the Bolt EV and Model 3 exist, this
range spec is starting to look a little dated. Even worse, the price is
higher than other “near-100-mile” EVs, with a factory lease price of
$269/mo, $1,999 down (including first month’s payment), though a very
generous 20,000 miles per year.
The Clarity EV will be available in August or September, and only as a
compliance vehicle in California and Oregon. With a price/feature
package like this, though, it might be dead on arrival, especially
compared to what else is available these days. Check below the break for
why.
The Clarity EV is capable of level 1, 2 and 3 charging. On level 1, a
standard 120v outlet, a full battery charge will take about 19 hours. On
level 2, which is the recommended home charging mode, a full charge will
take about 3 hours. On level 3 DC charging, you’ll be able to reach 80%
in about 30 minutes.
The battery is in the rear of the car, taking up room which would
otherwise be extra trunk space. There is a lot of empty space under the
hood, belying the fact that this is a car which shares a platform with
other drive configurations, and wasn’t designed around being
all-electric (else they could have several more cubic feet of storage
space in a “frunk”, had Honda designed the car around that idea).
Battery kWh was not specified, but from the charging times above it
sounds like it’s about 20-22kWh – which also means the DC charging
happens at only around ~40kW. This is better than nothing and it’s good
that DC charging is included, but the rate seems low when compared to the
Hyundai Ioniq EV‘s 100kW capability (albeit only for about 15 minutes
before the battery fills up too much and needs to throttle charging
rates).
For their part, Honda is happy with the range number because they wanted
to “differentiate” the EV from other vehicles in the Clarity line. The
EV version of the car is “a niche car for a niche customer.” For those
customers who do not need long range, they wanted to offer a battery
which is properly sized for their needs. While I’m sympathetic to this
reasoning as I often would like the option to buy smaller battery packs
in exchange for money/weight savings on the vehicle (I’m looking at you,
Tesla…a Roadster with ~300lbs less battery weight would handle so well…
), Honda’s price is too high to make up for their relatively low-spec
car.
For comparison, Hyundai’s recent “multiple drivetrains on one platform
” entry, the Ioniq EV, offers more range, the most efficient car ever
sold in the US (Ioniq EV gets 136mpge vs. Clarity’s 114mpge), faster DC
quick charging, and an “unlimited subscription package” which includes
unlimited mileage, free maintenance even on wear items (tires etc.), no
license fees, and even a reimbursement for charging costs. All of this
is available at $275/mo, just $6/mo more than the Clarity but with what
seems like a much better value proposition. Even the Clarity’s generous
20k miles/yr doesn’t compete with the Hyundai’s unlimited mileage.
The Bolt EV, which has a higher lease price than both, also seems to
offer a better package for the price. Factory lease deals are $329/mo
but some dealers will beat that, and for that price you get a much more
capable car, purpose-built EV which is speedy and fun – we loved it in
our review. And given the many other EVs with ~90 mile range which are
available for purchase or with significantly better lease deals than the
Clarity, all of which have been on the roads for years, Honda seems late
to the party with this one.
It is also troubling to offer a car as “a niche car for a niche customer.
” We’ve had plenty of experience with car companies refusing to sell
EVs seriously, either positioning them as geographically-limited “
compliance cars” or with dealerships veering customers away from full
EVs.
Honda seems to have shamelessly positioned the Clarity EV as a compliance
car, as it will only be available in two states, and only via a lease –
similar to their past effort, the Fit EV, and recalling shades of the GM
EV1 to longtime EV fans (see “Who Killed the Electric Car?” for more on
how GM killed their EV program, took back leased EVs and crushed them,
which then inspired Tesla’s founding). This was a common tactic for
many years among companies who just wanted ZEV credits so they could
continue to sell gas guzzlers in California, but it seemed like the
industry might be starting to move away from that direction with some
more serious, nationwide entrants like the Bolt EV.
So, Honda’s Clarity EV might fill a niche, but it seems like that niche
could be “people buying a car three or four years ago when these specs
might have been seen as average and who don’t mind paying a premium for
some reason.” It’s 2017, Honda. The Bolt, Ioniq and Model 3 exist (or
at least it will by September). You can do better than this.
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